What's wrong with people?
I don't understand why people need to cheat in any video game, seriously. We play game suppose to having fun, aren't we? Where is the fun when you can see everyone else in the game and don't even ne...
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@sneakwastakenn For every obvious rage-cheater, there is a dozen of subtle cheaters making their best to be hard to spot (using say only ESP/wallhack and not an obvious aimbotter). It's been this way for every single online FPS title. New game, old game alike. Difference is, between full price titles and F2P, well you would know: the price. Getting caught and banned in a f2p title is a LOT less punishing (read: none at all) than if you payed 60$ USD. That right there is already an incentive against cheating. Without it, people don't fear any repercussion. Maybe now you haven't seen any cheaters, but look (just google or search on youtube) how bf5 is already riddled with cheaters and that game isn't even f2p.
That reply has nothing at all to do with what I said. I didn't dispute that there's no cost to a free game.
@sneakwastakenn My reply was regarding your sentence saying "But we don't know if a "better anticheat" is actually that urgent because we don't know how many cheaters exist (if any at all)". It's lame as F to have to deal with cheaters but the fact of the matter is a good anti-cheat system needs to be ahead, you can't just wait for your game to be riddled with cheaters (I'm not saying Apex is atm though) before you step up your anti cheat, even less so with a F2P-easily-accessible title that you can make a free new account in a minute. It needs to be proactive instead of reactive, otherwise you get the mess that bf5 is.
@TSF_VindictiV I didn't say a good anticheat shouldn't be placed in the game ahead of time.. I argued that we don't know if a "better" one than what currently exists is necessary, as you claimed it is.
There's been no evidence provided of any cheaters at all.. just an angry rant about cheaters and a claim that "we need something better". My questioning of evidence and stating that we don't know if we "need something better" isn't the same as stating that "we need no anti-cheat at all".
EDIT: Also, I just saw the part you posted about a "real life law against cheating". While I am against cheating and want them gone and would do anything other than that to prevent cheaters (and have exposed many of them myself as well as worked on anti-cheat in multiple games) I don't support the government stepping in and making cheating in video games illegal. There are better things for them to be doing than that and it's a bit of an overreach. Video games are not important at the end of the day and cheaters are to be dealt with by the community (by insulting them for being bad) and the company (by banning them and attempting to prevent further attempts to cheat). 100% against government policy against cheating in video games but 100% in favor of insulting cheaters for cheating and the company who runs the game and/or anticheat company removing those players and publishing names of players along with evidence of them cheating.
I actually find it hilariously stupid how companies refuse to post names of 100% proven cheaters they ban. Those names should be broadcasted on the main page, not hidden from view if they ever did start publishing them. "Naming and shaming" rules are stupid to begin with but especially so in the context of a cheater. They deserve to be shamed.
As a sidenote, despite being against all forms of censorship, including censoring "bad" words from posts... which is what Barry is doing.. It's really nice to see a staff member so actively reading the posts. He would have to be reading them to it to be possible for him to edit out the words. Usually things like that are dealt with because a lot of people with non-existent skin on the internet cry about it in reports.@sneakwastakenn I never said you wrote "we need no anti-cheat". Regardless of what you said, my points were simply:
1)There are ALWAYS going to be cheaters in FPS games with PVP. EVEN if there (in a miraculous way) wasn't any cheaters on Apex at the moment, it will happen eventually. It's not a question of is there ever going to be cheaters, but rather when will cheaters start playing Apex with cheats.
2)Anti-cheats aren't permanent defenses. It's exactly like anti-viruses, the threat evolves over time and therefore the anti-threat needs to evolve as well. In short, because AL is free to play and is therefore incredibly accessible compared to a 60$ title, you need an even better anti-cheat than said 60$ titles. I come from bf5 and it's riddled with cheats (as our EA Game Changer overlords so heavily stated multiple times already on youtube, you will see with a quick search that you can also find video proof of so many "rage cheaters" being blatant with no care in the world), so yeah... to say the least, Apex needs a severely better anti-cheat system than bf5.
That's it, that's all, I'm not looking to argue with you or anything. I'm just explaining things as they are.
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