What's wrong with people?

I have got one idea... make a good anti-cheat... and if someone cheat... make him pay. Like really pay.. some milions. Ok? Please :-) Ruin their life for they ruined our lifes with ruined game when they get me 3 headshots with wingman for 150 meteres... thanks :D 

That's not cheating.. the gun is just that powerful!

Or doesn't play in team and instead sitting in absolute edge of map untill is time to move corner of the next area.

one kind of player -> LookAtThisFace

If I could I would report but cannot

I think his point is to imply that someone hitting you 3 times from really far away with that pistol, in succession.. in the head... without missing..  is cheating.

@sneakwastakenn  My reply was regarding your sentence saying "But we don't know if a "better anticheat" is actually that urgent because we don't know how many cheaters exist (if any at all)". It's lame as F to have to deal with cheaters but the fact of the matter is a good anti-cheat system needs to be ahead, you can't just wait for your game to be riddled with cheaters (I'm not saying Apex is atm though) before you step up your anti cheat, even less so with a F2P-easily-accessible title that you can make a free new account in a minute. It needs to be proactive instead of reactive, otherwise you get the mess that bf5 is. 

@TSF_VindictiV I didn't say a good anticheat shouldn't be placed in the game ahead of time.. I argued that we don't know if a "better" one than what currently exists is necessary, as you claimed it is.

There's been no evidence provided of any cheaters at all.. just an angry rant about cheaters and a claim that "we need something better". My questioning of evidence and stating that we don't know if we "need something better" isn't the same as stating that "we need no anti-cheat at all".


EDIT: Also, I just saw the part you posted about a "real life law against cheating". While I am against cheating and want them gone and would do anything other than that to prevent cheaters (and have exposed many of them myself as well as worked on anti-cheat in multiple games) I don't support the government stepping in and making cheating in video games illegal. There are better things for them to be doing than that and it's a bit of an overreach. Video games are not important at the end of the day and cheaters are to be dealt with by the community (by insulting them for being bad) and the company (by banning them and attempting to prevent further attempts to cheat). 100% against government policy against cheating in video games but 100% in favor of insulting cheaters for cheating and the company who runs the game and/or anticheat company removing those players and publishing names of players along with evidence of them cheating.

I actually find it hilariously stupid how companies refuse to post names of 100% proven cheaters they ban. Those names should be broadcasted on the main page, not hidden from view if they ever did start publishing them. "Naming and shaming" rules are stupid to begin with but especially so in the context of a cheater. They deserve to be shamed.


As a sidenote, despite being against all forms of censorship, including censoring "bad" words from posts... which is what Barry is doing.. It's really nice to see a staff member so actively reading the posts. He would have to be reading them to it to be possible for him to edit out the words. Usually things like that are dealt with because a lot of people with non-existent skin on the internet cry about it in reports.

@sneakwastakenn  I never said you wrote "we need no anti-cheat". Regardless of what you said, my points were simply:

1)There are ALWAYS going to be cheaters in FPS games with PVP. EVEN if there (in a miraculous way) wasn't any cheaters on Apex at the moment, it will happen eventually. It's not a question of is there ever going to be cheaters, but rather when will cheaters start playing Apex with cheats. 

2)Anti-cheats aren't permanent defenses. It's exactly like anti-viruses, the threat evolves over time and therefore the anti-threat needs to evolve as well. In short, because AL is free to play and is therefore incredibly accessible compared to a 60$ title, you need an even better anti-cheat than said 60$ titles. I come from bf5 and it's riddled with cheats (as our EA Game Changer overlords so heavily stated multiple times already on youtube, you will see with a quick search that you can also find video proof of so many "rage cheaters" being blatant with no care in the world), so yeah... to say the least, Apex needs a severely better anti-cheat system than bf5. 

That's it, that's all, I'm not looking to argue with you or anything. I'm just explaining things as they are. 

@sneakwastakenn  Just read your edit, I fully agree. What I described was a "perfect anti-cheat world" hence why I said it sounded like a sci-fi movie scenario lol. And indeed, the anti name and shame should go out the window when somebody is without-a-doubt a cheater and their ban should be IP address + hardware ban and I would go as far as contacting internet providers (if possible) for legal actions. I live in Canada and a friend of mine got a legal notice from his internet provider for downloading a game (fallout 3 to be precised, which was a while ago) via torrent (yaarrrr) so I know this kind of thing can be done. 

You said "the fact of the matter is a good anti-cheat system needs to be ahead", implying that the one which exists isn't good enough as it is. The part where I mentioned "no anti-cheat at all" is hyperbole because you have consistently taken what I've said, spun it into something I didn't say, then argued against it.

1. I already said this... when I said "No matter who is in control of anticheat, there will always be cheaters in every game and it isn't possible to 100% block all cheats." The point which you missed is that there's claims of rampant cheating and the need for "a better anticheat" with 0 evidence to support the claim.
2. I also already said this when I said " It's a constant struggle between anti-cheat implementation and cheat creation. It always has been this way and always will. You need to accept that in online games there are going to be a certain amount of cheaters. Hopefully the large majority of your games don't have them."

I said that 2nd thing immediately after the first. Maybe you missed the entire reply?

So to say the least, there's no reason to believe that they "need a better anti-cheat system" since there's no evidence suggesting that there is a problem with the current one. And once again we have my original point which you seem to be ignoring and trying to distort in order to spin the conversation in another direction; but that won't be allowed to happen when discussing things with me.

You're not explaining anything, I explained everything you just said before you said it.

It's good to hear that you aren't interested in actual legislation reaching into video games (I assume you're in America or somewhere in the west).

Regarding IP address bans though, those are essentially useless and problematic at the same time because anyone could be on that AS and be affected wrongly by the ban and the person who they want to ban can easily change this or mask it with a VPN.

I see you're mentioning "legal actions" again... and this is once again where I have to disagree. Internet providers should not be encouraged (any more than they currently do) to hand out customer information based on complaints and especially not in relation to cheating in a video game. It's ultimately up to the publisher and/or developer and/or anti-cheat management to remove players who cheat and not something that should tie up law enforcement or courts or something that should be a punishable offense. You seem to be contradicting your claim that you're against this kind of legislation by stating that you want ISPs contacted for "legal actions". Also see that you confirmed you live in Canada which is in the west. Sadly, your country is already starting to fall apart and largely due to lack of a certain clause in your base rights but that would end up getting this thread closed so hopefully you know what I'm referring to and we can avoid discussing it here 😉.

Also, it's not in any way comparable to have a copyright infringement or illegal product distribution case then say because of that people should be able to be punished by having their information given away by the ISP due to cheating in a video game. Downloading IP without permission/paying is nowhere near the same thing as playing unfair in a video game.


UPDATE: At least in the terms of America it's unlawful for the government to force an ISP to hand out user information at the request of another business. This is compelled speech and protected under the first amendment as businesses are protected by this as well. You have no inherently granted free expression rights in Canada, which is how C-16 got passed. The ISP would need to agree to this as a general policy and the customer of the ISP would be signing that agreement when they sign up. That's how they get you for downloading shows and why people use seedboxes or VPNs.

Some stuff that could fix the rampant cheating pretty quick, especially in a f2p game:

1. 2-Step-Verification when you create your account with your handy (like the google-authenticator on android systems).
2. Report-function in game (is usually mandatory in these type of games, so you can report someone if you see something fishy)
3. Hardware and phonenumber bans (will be the hardest to get around that once you´re banned... will prevent 99% of all cheaters coming back again).