6 years ago

When the rework for Level 4 armor and Legendary Knockdown?

Level 4 Armor should give you 25 Shields if you eliminated someone. A squad wipe would result in 75 shields if the person killed all three. Knockdown shield needs to fully restore your health and sh...

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Anlbrd

6 years ago

The gold knockdown shield is absolutely fine. It's a last-ditch attempt for when your team have all already been soundly beaten. There's no reason to buff it when the fact that it exists at all is already 1 more chance than ANY of us get in most games 🙂

The gold armor, however - is effectively useless as anything other than purple armor. I've never once used the gold armor's special ability in more than a thousand hours played. In theory it's a nice boon, but it just doesn't work out in practice at all.

NNeil6991

6 years ago

@Anlbrd The only problem I have with the knockdown shield is that you can't you can't use it as a knockdown shield due to it causing immediate thirst. If it was purple instead and gave off gold sparks on hit as a tell, that would make it a bit better.

Anlbrd
6 years ago
@NNeil6991 Only for the first week mate and then it would mean everyone would thirst purple shields in the same way they do gold right now, I reckon.

The most consistent factor to me getting a self-revive off and surviving after it is that the team who killed us were immediately 3p and pushed off, giving me just enough time to do it, grab banners and bail. This is easier because I play a mobility character but that's more of a reason to give the KD shield to your wraith/oct/PF. This is where the conversation becomes purely about opinion - I personally don't want this item to be useful in any but the rarest situations, because if an entire team is knocked : they've already 'lost' the game once and it should be practically impossible for them to come back and win the game. The fact that we've done this but it's rare and took some serious dancing to pull off is proof to me that the standard I would want the item to be held to is being met.

@hhnbbfggty66 The thing about gold shield making you untouchable whilst doing finishers is interesting and worth exploring but my skin crawls at the thought of things like invincibility and damage soak in this type of game unless it's done incredibly well (like wraiths phase).

If I try to think about this in the following way : "This item needs to be made more useful, in the original spirit of its design - what is the smallest change needed to make it work" - the first thing I come up with is speeding up finishing moves. I know the animation would look stupid, and maybe it should mean that there are abbreviated finishers for all characters : like they just lean over someone and shoot them in the head, all a similar skeleton animation but adjusted for individual player models to not be clipping etc, something that leaves the current mechanic for the armor in place but makes it actually usable.
- NNeil6991
  6 years ago
  @Anlbrd I don't think so. I only have ever gotten gold shields off when it was hectic and the team that had downed us was also getting third partied. Being able to put up a purple downshield and ward off people from spending those couple seconds to thirst you, would at least make it a tiny bit more likely to get that revive off...Or you could just give it to mirage, that works too.
  - Anlbrd
    6 years ago
    @NNeil6991 I wouldn't be opposed to the change you're suggesting or anything mate, I only think it wouldn't do anything to quieten down the vast majority of the complaints about the KD shield. I'm not able to see the future and I'm far from always right though, so there'd be no harm in doing it.
    
    I know that I would thirst 100% of purple KD shielders that I otherwise might not though. Generally I thirst everyone anyway so it's a bit of a non-point for me to make, but it would foster a change in everyone else's behaviour fairly quickly once they became aware of the change I reckon.