Why promoting camping
i always saw this game as a kill or get killed game, like Quake, that's what i love about it, very intense fights, but now on plat, everyone is just camping because of those points you get from top 1...
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@NNeil6991 Im not going to say you're wrong because we just don't know but I would like to think that's not the case. I think this is more of an unexpected outcome of the RP points system.
Within reason why wouldn't you provide some sort of bonus for surviving longer? Top 10, top 5 etc. The developers weren't to know it would swing so far this way. Similarly like you wouldn't have thought people would camp in Apex elite, but they did.
Moving forward I do hope the team are indeed looking into this but unless there is an obvious solution it will stay as it is. Obviously lots of solutions are being thrown around and it has probably been mentioned before but why not instead of giving RP for placement if they give RP dependent on the XP gained from the match (minus the kills of course)?
I'm sure some kind of calculation can be formulated to reward RP based on the XP gained which looks at all manor of gameplay: damage, revive, respawn, time survived, kill leader but leave off kills (already rewarded separately) playing with friends and killed champion (is a lottery really).
Within reason why wouldn't you provide some sort of bonus for surviving longer? Top 10, top 5 etc. The developers weren't to know it would swing so far this way. Similarly like you wouldn't have thought people would camp in Apex elite, but they did.
Moving forward I do hope the team are indeed looking into this but unless there is an obvious solution it will stay as it is. Obviously lots of solutions are being thrown around and it has probably been mentioned before but why not instead of giving RP for placement if they give RP dependent on the XP gained from the match (minus the kills of course)?
I'm sure some kind of calculation can be formulated to reward RP based on the XP gained which looks at all manor of gameplay: damage, revive, respawn, time survived, kill leader but leave off kills (already rewarded separately) playing with friends and killed champion (is a lottery really).
@WHITEyy6969 The devs had to know that this was going to cause camping, as elite was essentially just late beta testing to iron out ranked mode. The circle damage, encouraging camping with the elite streaks, that all to see how ranked would operate. Like I said I have no problem with campy trap setter play styles or rewarding that playstyle. But even the most naive dev would realize that capping the kill rp would shift everyone's play style towards what currently gains you the most rp consistently: staying alive and camping. If there was no cap, then it would allow both play styles equal opportunity to shine...Which is why there is a cap. They are influencing the meta to popularize trap characters and to ensure that Wattson wouldn't be a barely played, low tier failure at launch. Having no cap is the obvious solution you are looking for, but they are afraid it will shift everyone back to the thirsty three, Lifeline, Wraith, Pathfinder (who coincidentally all got nerfed).
- @NNeil6991
I agree with you. It is a clear attempt at making other characters viable.
I dislike the way they are going about it, as to me camping is boring, but this is just personal preference.
While much more radical, and probably a measure that could make people frown a bit, I would have preferred that certain legends would have been retired, in favor of other legends that would have kept the "Apex Style" alive --again personal opinion.- @Vdstrk I think they are actually doing a good job making characters viable instead of putting them in the grave. Caustic has gotten great buffs, Bloodhound's buffed tactical is very useful, and Mirage's ultimate is great (Gibby is still trash, but there is only so much mortal men can do). I just wish they would allow us the freedom to choose how we want to play the game instead of forcing a specific meta down our throats.
- @Vdstrk @NNeil6991 Sure, perhaps you are correct and it is was they wanted but I for one hope that's not the case. Surely there were, and are, other ways to make the defensive (not campy) legends more viable.
As for learning from Apex Elite all I would say to counter that is do you think the developers and EA are really that quick? I don't believe they would be able to anyalze half of the data that they obtained from the Elite queue before ranked came into play. I wouldn't argue that it was a so called beta though but again more than likely to test multiple queues, player count and the basic stats.
The biggest problem here is just the one scoring system (RP) but multiple ways to earn it. Don't limit it and people will just play game after game in quick succession looking for the most kills and never win it. Not an issue to some but if your solo and your squad are running into every battle when you are more conservative then there's the issue. But on the flip limit it and then only allow for more RP for placement people will camp after 5 kills.
I still think there are other ways around it and kills and placement should be rewarded differently for a start.- @WHITEyy6969 Yes I do believe the devs are competent enough to take the massive amounts of feedback they got from reddit and this forum about elite mode and incorporate it into ranked. They were literally patching elite circle damage due to feedback as elite was underway...The devs just need to reward both play styles and allow people to play how they want, campy or thirsty, it should be player choice.
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