Why promoting camping
i always saw this game as a kill or get killed game, like Quake, that's what i love about it, very intense fights, but now on plat, everyone is just camping because of those points you get from top 1...
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@WHITEyy6969 The devs had to know that this was going to cause camping, as elite was essentially just late beta testing to iron out ranked mode. The circle damage, encouraging camping with the elite streaks, that all to see how ranked would operate. Like I said I have no problem with campy trap setter play styles or rewarding that playstyle. But even the most naive dev would realize that capping the kill rp would shift everyone's play style towards what currently gains you the most rp consistently: staying alive and camping. If there was no cap, then it would allow both play styles equal opportunity to shine...Which is why there is a cap. They are influencing the meta to popularize trap characters and to ensure that Wattson wouldn't be a barely played, low tier failure at launch. Having no cap is the obvious solution you are looking for, but they are afraid it will shift everyone back to the thirsty three, Lifeline, Wraith, Pathfinder (who coincidentally all got nerfed).
@NNeil6991
I agree with you. It is a clear attempt at making other characters viable.
I dislike the way they are going about it, as to me camping is boring, but this is just personal preference.
While much more radical, and probably a measure that could make people frown a bit, I would have preferred that certain legends would have been retired, in favor of other legends that would have kept the "Apex Style" alive --again personal opinion.
I agree with you. It is a clear attempt at making other characters viable.
I dislike the way they are going about it, as to me camping is boring, but this is just personal preference.
While much more radical, and probably a measure that could make people frown a bit, I would have preferred that certain legends would have been retired, in favor of other legends that would have kept the "Apex Style" alive --again personal opinion.
- @Vdstrk I think they are actually doing a good job making characters viable instead of putting them in the grave. Caustic has gotten great buffs, Bloodhound's buffed tactical is very useful, and Mirage's ultimate is great (Gibby is still trash, but there is only so much mortal men can do). I just wish they would allow us the freedom to choose how we want to play the game instead of forcing a specific meta down our throats.
- @Vdstrk @NNeil6991 Sure, perhaps you are correct and it is was they wanted but I for one hope that's not the case. Surely there were, and are, other ways to make the defensive (not campy) legends more viable.
As for learning from Apex Elite all I would say to counter that is do you think the developers and EA are really that quick? I don't believe they would be able to anyalze half of the data that they obtained from the Elite queue before ranked came into play. I wouldn't argue that it was a so called beta though but again more than likely to test multiple queues, player count and the basic stats.
The biggest problem here is just the one scoring system (RP) but multiple ways to earn it. Don't limit it and people will just play game after game in quick succession looking for the most kills and never win it. Not an issue to some but if your solo and your squad are running into every battle when you are more conservative then there's the issue. But on the flip limit it and then only allow for more RP for placement people will camp after 5 kills.
I still think there are other ways around it and kills and placement should be rewarded differently for a start.- @WHITEyy6969 Yes I do believe the devs are competent enough to take the massive amounts of feedback they got from reddit and this forum about elite mode and incorporate it into ranked. They were literally patching elite circle damage due to feedback as elite was underway...The devs just need to reward both play styles and allow people to play how they want, campy or thirsty, it should be player choice.
- @WHITEyy6969
I am confident that devs know how to analyze and adjust to feedback.
The issue is more with respect to "forcing" some play-style, and characters. This is also visible through daily and weekly challenges asking to use a specific tactic. For instance, use Caustic and kill a player while gassed.I'm not saying they can't analyze data or won't but for them to analyze gameplay and deduce X amount of people camp takes a lot more manpower and time compared to forums where they are getting constant feedback. Let me explain.
Someone saying that gun x is terrible can be investigated by looking how many kills per gun and if this is a low stat then yes they may be on to something. Similar the early bashing of Mirage, the devs responded saying plenty of wins were recorded when someone was using Mirage, again another stat.
Flip that and everyone moan about campers what do they have to go on? Players with low kills doesn't necessarily mean they camped, likewise low damage (we've all seen players with 4+ kills and sub 400 damage), basically no one stat to go off. It's similar to why it's not so easy to ban cheaters, it's obvious to us who play against them but they don't see it.
Only time will tell I guess and we will all have to see what happens. Again I'm not saying anyone is wrong here but I hope, for all our sakes, this does get ironed out.
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