Aim assist is aim bot, we have data now...
I am going to report every single console player for aim bot until Respawn does their job...
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@Florid_watch I didn’t think I would have to teach playground level logic about same rules and same balance regardless of the hardware, if you CHOOSE to play the game via console then understand that by nature you will be hindered in skill, if you play with mnk you will have a chance to develop your skill further because the hardware you picked is superior.
This, boys and girls, is called life, it’s unfair, but because it’s unfair we are not changing the system to help individuals if they don’t improve, we tried that IRL and it’s called diversity, equality and inclusion, it’s * everything up and it made things worse, merit should ALWAYS be rbe metric for EVERYTHING, you suck at mnk? Get better, you want to play on console? Go ahead but understand that your skill will be inferior because of the hardware YOU CHOSE! Can’t afford a PC? Level up IRL
I am sick and tired of inferior individuals asking for a handicap because they suck in areas they know they can improve.
Objectivity is kryptonite for slackers/losers
All we do is encourage inferior individuals to not level up when you “help” them, you are making them mediocre hence new generations
Teach a man to fish
This, boys and girls, is called life, it’s unfair, but because it’s unfair we are not changing the system to help individuals if they don’t improve, we tried that IRL and it’s called diversity, equality and inclusion, it’s * everything up and it made things worse, merit should ALWAYS be rbe metric for EVERYTHING, you suck at mnk? Get better, you want to play on console? Go ahead but understand that your skill will be inferior because of the hardware YOU CHOSE! Can’t afford a PC? Level up IRL
I am sick and tired of inferior individuals asking for a handicap because they suck in areas they know they can improve.
Objectivity is kryptonite for slackers/losers
All we do is encourage inferior individuals to not level up when you “help” them, you are making them mediocre hence new generations
Teach a man to fish
@dioangel This... is a confusing rant.
#1. The MnK community is the one asking for change or demanding to be catered to. I personally agree that there should be no controllers or Aim Assist in their lobbies but I also don't care. It's the MnK that wants Apex to change for them.
#2. I think you mixed equity and equality up since equality is something you're asking for here. Equal resources and an equal opportunity to succeed provided you're the better player. I think that's what you want? Thats equality unless I've misunderstood the word.
#3. Everything else you have to say is political nonsense. Even the above points were a little political. Our ways of life were flawed in the past, they're flawed now, and they'll be flawed in the future. The only difference will be which group is whining about things being "worse" or "bad."
You seem to be completely unable to understand the argument.
1. MNK arent the ones asking for catering, they are asking for change yes, the change that they take away the catering for controller users getting soft aimbot, cause they are inferior at the game. How they do this is irrelevant, but ultimately for fairness, soft aimbot has no bearing on a comp shooter and comp game in general. If consoles play only with each other and with AA thats fine. They could also simply remove aim assist and allow you to plug a MnK into your console and be done with it, you choose what you want and both platforms can do what they like.
2.Equality isnt giving one platform a huge advantage over the other, cause the hardware is inferior for the task. It would be allowing both platforms to use the superior hardware aka MnK or seperating them so it doesnt impact em. Like how we have female and male sports...@TheDarkWaver The MnK community are asking for changes that will be of benefit to them. Some are even boldly saying that Aim assist should be completely removed on consoles as well. They clearly don't care about how changes will affect other communities and only want their preferences pushed forward. Sounds like catering to me.
Also the idea that Aim assists exists to balance between MnK and controllers is laughable. I don't know who said something so ridiculous but Aim assist existed when I played Goldeneye on the N64 and I don't believe there was crossplay then.
If Mnk is pushing for separate lobbies then I agree with that. I don't care so long as this is a MnK problem but I back the idea 100%. However, MnK users should have no say in how controllers work.
Lastly I HATE how the AA feels in this game but the input device that does not need it should have no say.
- @Zamaha400 No they are not asking for beneficial changes for them, they are specifically asking for the unfair aim assist to not be a beneficial advantage for controller players, those are not the same thing. The MnK community has never given a f about AA on console, we had 10-20 years of console AA that no one cared about cause Crossplay wasnt introduced and generally tournaments didnt feature PC vs Console or controller to begin with.
Aim assist wasnt made to balance the power between MnK and Controller, that is absolutely right, however it has become a balancing tool between the inputs as stated directly by developers of multiple crossplay games including Fortnite, Apex and Call of Duty Warzone.
MnK users arent specifically interested in how it is done, the main problem and outcome that they want, is that pc competetive environments and tournaments in general does in no way have AA that is an unfair advantage. Whether they seperate the inputs, disable AA on pc and in tournaments, it doesnt really matter. Again i point to the fact we had near 10-20 years of console aim assist that no PC player ever cared about, cause it was console vs console...
How in hell does an input that is directly affected by AA, not have a say in the matter ? All inputs are in this world together, all have a say in all aspects of the game, so long as the arguments make sense and are validly backed up with evidence. If you seperate MnK and Controller completely again, then sure MnK should have no say in what happens on Controllers side, just like controller shouldnt on MnK´s side. However the reality is that crossplay is here and it is mostly always going to be here, so the only fair option is to allow everyone to use the superior inputs by hardware and disable artificial benefits like AA, when it comes to ranked, competetive and tournaments. @TheDarkWaver Unless you're arguing that Aim assist doesn't put MnK at a disadvantage it's impossible to say that ripping it out wouldn't be favorable to them. I'm not even debating whether aim assist is fair or not but that's a change that would CLEARLY be for the experience of MnK. Whether the change is fair/balanced/necessary or whatever it's still a change meant to benefit MnK. People seem to think that conceding a point means losing an argument but this is getting a little silly.
We do agree that lobbies should be separate though. I've hated the thought of crossplay since it was first mentioned and I'm still adamantly against it.
- @Zamaha400 That is like arguing that abolishing slavery was a benefit to the slaves. Generally we dont consider removing an unfair advantage as a benefit to the opposite party. Which is why saying it is a benefit to MnK is weird, again both inputs have certain strengths and then adding AA onto Controllers in the cross input battle means you gave an unfair advantage to the controller players, that you are simply removing.
@TheDarkWaver After looking it up it seems I'm wrong. I've always used the word "benefit" to refer to which side something leans toward however it seems it means to give an advantage to or profit. I was lightly mocking MnK for focusing on their disadvantages while claiming a one-sided fix would make things equal. I don't believe things can be equal between the two inputs and even if the devs found a way I doubt both communities will agree things are fair.
Both inputs don't have strengths sans AA though. The one advantage controller has is Aim assist unless there's another I've taken for granted. Taking it away wouldn't make things "fair" it would just give MnK an undisputed advantage... which the Mnk community would call fair.
@Zamaha400 wrote:@TheDarkWaver After looking it up it seems I'm wrong. I've always used the word "benefit" to refer to which side something leans toward however it seems it means to give an advantage to or profit. I was lightly mocking MnK for focusing on their disadvantages while claiming a one-sided fix would make things equal. I don't believe things can be equal between the two inputs and even if the devs found a way I doubt both communities will agree things are fair.
Both inputs don't have strengths sans AA though. The one advantage controller has is Aim assist unless there's another I've taken for granted. Taking it away wouldn't make things "fair" it would just give MnK an undisputed advantage... which the Mnk community would call fair.
Therefore splitting the 2 platforms is the best solution...
