Keeping it simple. For the vast majority of players on controller, aim assist isn't an issue. Sure it leads to the occasional one clip but its not a huge issue. That being said I don't think an automated system for aiming is fair in any online fps environment unless everyone has equal assistance with aim. Now from what i've seen the problem of aim assist being too strong starts (i'm estimating here) with the top 10% to top 5% of players on controller. Combined with their skill these top level players (no i'm not just talking about streamers and pro's) have the ability to consistently kill people within fractions of a second, over half a second would be considered extremely slow to these players. But yes for most of the players its not a problem, but it is also not the right or fair solution.Snipedown on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1I6OPcxJpM

@damsonwhufndthisOur impasse here is that you honestly don’t believe that MnK movement is more fluid and that aiming with a mouse doesn’t afford higher precision than a joystick. I mean no disrespect but because you don’t see this, I question how knowledgeable you are on the mechanics of joystick input vs moving a mouse.And again no offense, but your explanation of why controller players aren’t jitter aiming is very very silly. They’re “too lazy”?Yikes.Same with strafing while looting, controller players are probably too lazy here too. Come on man...

@Yohimbay If we’re going to identify things that become too strong in the higher skill levels, shouldn’t we be acknowledging all of the strengths of MnK at higher levels?I mean, everyone here knows MnK has a higher skill ceiling— this is expressed through precision aim and movement, not to mention some of the other mechanics only accessible by mnk.So am I allowed to say “hey that’s not fair, I don’t have those privileges” when playing someone who can jitter aim and strafe while looting and etc?I think we just have to accept that controller will have some advantages up close and MnK will have other advantages. It’s totally mature to acknowledge that. But in the sake of being mature, we should definitely admit that the advantages of MnK outweigh the advantage of AA. To suggest otherwise is just being dishonest.Outcomes matter. ALGS isn’t being dominated by controller players; it’s being dominated by MnK players. Same for all of the other games that have comp that allow for both inputs.But ultimately, threads like this will continue to be made because crossplay is pretty much forced on PC players.

@MandatoryIDtag Lol.Fun fact:I got to play Apex on MnK for the first time this past weekend. I went straight to the firing range.I grabbed a flatline and a mag, and a ranger site. I aimed at the targets up near the top and attempted to jitter aim.I was successfully able to jitter aim and drop 500+ damage on MY FIRST couple attempts. I’m genuinely not even exaggerating. It literally blew my mind how precise that flatline was. So yeah, my sympathy for MnK users a lot lower than it ever has been, lmao.

I can probably bet there’s more cheaters using strike packs then there is on pc using hacks

Mathematically the benifits of aim assistance are cumulative with skill, argue all you want but that is a fact.If you start playing and your say a base level 10 on controller and for arguments sake aim assistance is 10%, after a few years your skill improves to level 30 the "help" of aim assist has risen from 1 to 3. It doesnt stay at one it increases as your ability and skill with a controller does.It was discovered many years ago that without aim assist n00b level mnk shredded pro controller players, aim assist was implemented to allow cross play and level the field but it has to strike a balance between actually being of assistance to low level players whilst not elevating highly skilled players.IMO they have NEVER nor can they EVER get the balance right, square peg round hole, the two layouts (console/PC) are just too different, aim assistance was designed by devs to offer cross platform to sell more copies, i honestly believe it should be a right offered to both parties to turn off cross platform, i didnt pay 2.5k for a PC to be bundled with console players, sorry if that sounds elitist but its true, i dont like the idea that cross platform fairfight is decided by statistical data and analysis alone.

Aim Assist is Balanced. Or is it?

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hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Yohimbay This thread has been done many times. It will not age well.

It is balanced as it hasn't been changed in almost 3 years. They have the data. We do not.
Yohimbay
4 years ago
@hayhor This is just a bad take, if they released the data for diamonds, masters and pred's and what percentage of shots were hit in close range fights by players on MNK vs Controller it would tell a different story.
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
Like what I've said, call me when controller players can do this on the new map and not forced to drop at the opposite cannon where an enemy squad can just wait for you.
Imma help you out here so you wouldn't have to wait for replies. Here are some AA threads. Some actually want to know how good it is by trying it themselves only to realize that it's no where near the aimbot that a lot of people are claiming it to be. We get that here on a weekly basis.
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/What-happened-to-aim-assist/td-p/10918322
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/If-you-can-t-beat-the-aimbotters-aim-assist-users-than-join-them/m-p/10786353#M182484
This guy was sure that AA will get reworked at the start of season 11
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/controller-players/td-p/10753618
@AcidicSoda44031 recently switched from mnk to controller. He might have some thoughts to share. He also realized that a controller isn't as easy as you claim it is in this thread of his. I suggest you try it yourself as well to know how easy to win using a controller hence the reason why no one in the ALGS is a console player.
https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Need-help-to-improve-on-console/td-p/10455585
Yohimbay
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man mmm yes,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1I6OPcxJpM
Yohimbay
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man From one of, if not the best controller players. i think he actually references you in this
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
@Yohimbay LOL look at one of those threads that I showed this was already mentioned there. @CCbathwater your boy snipedown is in here again. LOL.
Also, this isn’t a messaging app where you expect people to reply immediately. We have other things to do than cry about controllers.
Yohimbay
4 years ago
The fact is, and many pro's and streamers have proved that they don't need aim assist to be good, they choose to use it because it is disadvantageous not to.
SOOOOOOO you dont need aim assist to be good. Imagine me trying to justify having literal aimbot on MNK, you guys would have an absolute fit, yet when its the otherway around... It's "Yeah but tap strafing is a thing sooooo remove that. aim assist is balanced because it hasnt ever been changed."
MandatoryIDtag
4 years ago
@Yohimbay I'm going to assume that this is a personal issue and you're at least a diamond rank player.
So I ask you this, how do you think that aim assist should be balanced? You've already acknowledged that frankly some players need it, which makes you considerably more level headed than the usual AA ranter we get here, so i guess you're already aware outright removing AA isn't a solution.
Yohimbay
4 years ago
@MandatoryIDtagTo be honest I'm not sure how to fix aim assist, potentially less affect at close to short range and a little more at further range, considering its very difficult to aim long range from what ive heard. It doesnt have to be a massive change but somethings need change with close quarters combat and controllers. I just want to know that I lost to another human being, no external, or in this case internal assistance. Again though I think this will never be changed due to the fact that the vast majority of players don't interact with such high level players that many times per day.
RockDokRock
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Yohimbay So you have actual evidence to support that or is that just what you want to be true? Weak bro.