Please return aim assist to how it was. I've been playing this game for years and the aim assist nerf is making it so unplayable. It's turning into what Fortnite was when they nerfed aim assist, a M&K sweat game. M&K already has all the movement and long range aim advantages and now you take away the one thing that balances it and makes it fun for controller players??Not sure why you guys needed to change the fundamentals of how the game was played just because a small group of M&K whiners scream out about aim assist.

@AymCTLIt was lowered because the data shows MnK players are losing more fights to controller players in Pc Lobbies.This is data they have looked at across all players not just Pros.It's not anything anyone with half a brain cell did not know already...

Did you not read the patch notes? Console crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 18%Console performance mode crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 22%Controller on PC: Aim Assist strength reduced 25%Dev Note: We value our accessibility as a cross-platform game, but it's equally important for us to monitor that ecosystem. Experiential stories from all types of players tracks with the data we're seeing when it comes to encounter win rate between different peripherals. Apex Legends is a competitive shooter, and simply put, aim assist is too strong. Aim assist will never be removed as it's a critical accessibility feature. Console lobbies remain unaffected; this only impacts players on controllers in PC lobbies (our most competitive ecosystem). This change doesn't solve the intricacies of all aim assist hot topics, but it should help level the playing ground.

Seems like a skill issue. All my friends are controller players and all have said AA feels almost identical. The reason why you're losing gun fights now is because of the removal of aim flinch. Now MNK players also get the benefit of being able to beam you while taking dmg like controllers have the last 21 seasons. Also AA wasn't nerfed just because of MNK players, it was nerfed because even competent controller players have acknowledged it's too strong. Every streamer and pro player have all said it was OP.

Should've done something with PC cheaters than nerfing aim thing. It's nearly impossible to play this against people who are using wall-hack and infinite health mods.

@markoon13 I hate the game right now. These changes make stronger players stronger and weaker players like me weaker.

Aim Assist Nerf | EA Forums

35 Replies

AymCTL
Seasoned Ace
10 months ago
@markoon13 I normally play on switch, and I just started the pc version a couple weeks ago, so I practice everyday on the firing range (and bot royale) doing an occasional match or two when warmed up. I have to say I agree when I first went in after the nerf even the dummies were tougher to hit for controller. Balancing recoil with the stick has been difficult for me. I'm also practicing with MnK and it seems much easier to manage recoil with than on controller, which puzzles me why they would give controller a nerf.

Back in season 20 they nerfed aim assist for the Nintendo Switch joycon controller because the gyro/motion control gave a similar advantage that MnK has by allowing the player to just tilt the controller in the direction they are shooting to have virtually no recoil. What was tough for me when I first tried controller on pc was having to use the right thumbstick to control recoil when I'm not used to doing that, it was difficult for me so I thought MnK was easier even though I kept hitting the wrong buttons for things like shield batteries.

Anyway, I don't understand why they would nerf aim assist for controller either. MnK has many more advantages and is much easier in my opinion, you would think they would nerf that instead, especially since it's so similar to the switch joycon controller.
Rye-Sco
Seasoned Adventurer
10 months ago
Did you not read the patch notes?
Console crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 18%
Console performance mode crossplay into PC lobbies: Aim Assist strength reduced 22%
Controller on PC: Aim Assist strength reduced 25%
Dev Note: We value our accessibility as a cross-platform game, but it's equally important for us to monitor that ecosystem. Experiential stories from all types of players tracks with the data we're seeing when it comes to encounter win rate between different peripherals. Apex Legends is a competitive shooter, and simply put, aim assist is too strong. Aim assist will never be removed as it's a critical accessibility feature. Console lobbies remain unaffected; this only impacts players on controllers in PC lobbies (our most competitive ecosystem). This change doesn't solve the intricacies of all aim assist hot topics, but it should help level the playing ground.
AymCTL
Seasoned Ace
10 months ago
@Rye-Sco I think both of us are in agreement that the devs felt it was too strong, which is why any game nerfs something, the question is why. I get it the top players feel it's an unfair advantage, but the stats and data they have are from top players who train for the game. Casual people who get together to play on a Saturday night aren't being factored in here. This is one reason I think the game needs an advanced version and a beginner version. Some don't like healthbars and red vision or other ways to reduce the difficulty for new or casuals, so maybe making a version for the pros would be a way to satisfy everyone.
OnclePicsmurf
10 months ago
@markoon13 wdym , it didn't change anything in the end.

if anything it show that AA should be deleted lmao
Rye-Sco
Seasoned Adventurer
10 months ago
@AymCTLIt was lowered because the data shows MnK players are losing more fights to controller players in Pc Lobbies.This is data they have looked at across all players not just Pros.
It's not anything anyone with half a brain cell did not know already...
BallisticMVP
10 months ago
@markoon13 If anything it has to go down more…
AymCTL
Seasoned Ace
10 months ago
@Rye-Sco One thing studying statistics has taught me is that data can be skewed by factors other than what is obvious. For instance, is the fact that MnK must perform more functions with the left hand than a controller player taken into account? Movement on MnK may be more broken, but requires much more coordination than controller? How about reflexes of controller players versus those of MnK? We have only two forms of input to judge against each other so naturally one will be higher than the other due to various factors, to say it is only aim assist that is the factor is making a large assumption about the data.

It is my personal opinion that MnK and controller should never play against each other anyway since both can have unfair advantages over the other in certain situations. I had one person I know was probably on MnK in mixtape doing tap strafing and crazy movement while shooting me at the same time from the air getting a perfect shot. Controller can no longer tap strafe after the change was made. (With the exception of the switch joycons that can tapstrafe by flicking the controller).
Florid_watch
10 months ago
Just give us input based lobbies. The MnK losers can * off for their little victories over the noobs with this matchmaking and we can get our AA back. Im off to Console i dont have the time to learn it again im too old for this *. So GG mnk you won im curious when will you cry again the AA is being too strong when the new 10 year olds learn it to use it against you, So GG.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
10 months ago
@AymCTLIt can be skewed, but I don’t think it was at all in this case. There’s other shooters that came to the same conclusion, strong aim assist is going to be more consistent. Who woulda guessed that?! Different games, using large player pools, and pulling stats from different skill levels, I’m not sure how anyone can claim that’s being skewed.

You seem like a cool person, so I genuinely feel bad if this change is hampering your experience. As a mouse user, it was infuriating to be constantly one-clipped by controller players. I have decades of experience playing shooters at this point, with pretty decent aim, but mouse players have way more variables to worry about.

Using a mouse to aim is 100% manually done, which uses more brain power, which then takes away brain function for other tasks. I have to find players hit boxes, while aim assist only looks for hit boxes not character models. Stuttering is going to change my sensitivity. I have to track enemies manually, rotational assist has no delay switching directions. Visual clutter is devastating to mouse users.

I have spent thousands of hours practicing, did research to get the best low latency equipment, to then just get beat by someone on console because of aim assist. Not that long ago, the aim assist in modern games would have been considered “soft” aim bots. It’s gotten out of hand.
AymCTL
Seasoned Ace
10 months ago
@RaginSam Thanks, I have been practicing on MnK whenever I play the PC version (I play on both switch and pc right now), but I still don't feel confident enough yet to go into full matches, but I've been practicing on bots and full combat mode on the range. I think finding the right key binds has been my struggle, the shooting feels more like the motion controls on switch so I like that, but movement and using items and skills has been a challenge.