Apex are going to die... :,(

@Zeelmaekers  Thank you, that's all i ask. 😛

The problem with the whole "get rid of hackers" scenario is that it just really isn't that simple. For every advance in anti cheat software of any kind there will always be people probing the software and looking for ways to circumvent it. Cheating will never be eradicated...it's more a matter of damage limitation.

I think the problem with these rants about hacking is that the average user expects it to just be solved at a click of a finger, which in reality is impossible. The hacker lobbies were a good idea but they're only going to flag frequent users. There would need to be a change in society to solve this issue frankly.

That's true,  but then again, im not a Anti-cheat Dev/specialist so i don't know what's the best and realistisch solution is.

Most of the time Anti-cheat tools / development is a good kept secret to make sure cheating developers have to code in the dark and stuggle to know how they got detected

@Zeelmaekersforgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't Respawn use Hardware ban instead of just account ban?

Also this reminds me of the good old Titanfall 1 days where any cheaters (yes there were cheaters present in a game where there's literally a gun that aims for you) were all thrown into the same lobbies together, which was a pretty spot on solution on Respawns part. But no doubt cheating scripts have evolved since then.

But all this cheating shenanigans is none of my business, I'll let you PC master race kids sort this out while I continue playing hacker free on my console.

And yes @MandatoryIDtag , gotta love a Pineapple pizza

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@MandatoryIDtag wrote:

@Zeelmaekers  Thank you, that's all i ask. 😛

The problem with the whole "get rid of hackers" scenario is that it just really isn't that simple. For every advance in anti cheat software of any kind there will always be people probing the software and looking for ways to circumvent it. Cheating will never be eradicated...it's more a matter of damage limitation.

I think the problem with these rants about hacking is that the average user expects it to just be solved at a click of a finger, which in reality is impossible. The hacker lobbies were a good idea but they're only going to flag frequent users. There would need to be a change in society to solve this issue frankly.

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I see where you're coming from, and to a certain degree I agree with you. But there is more that can be done which would help the state of the game. 

Take a look at games like Dota 2 and World of Warcraft: two games with absolutely massive, longstanding playerbases. I know from over 16 years of active participation and interaction with these communities that they are 1) virtually hacker-free, and 2) that status is the combined result of:
* robust moderator effort
* a proactive and supportive system of reporting cheaters and bullies that actively rewards legitimate reports + encourages name & shame + hides no statistics

* heavy financial investment

* multiple anti-cheat systems that overlap to provide maximum protection 
* a zero tolerance policy that forces cheaters to face financial repercussions 

Or take Rainbow Six: Siege as an example, as that is also a F2P first person shooter that is also team-based. 
Cheaters are literally named IN-GAME across all servers *as they are banned.* 
There has been long-running, documented effort to fight back cheating, and as a result RS:S has a far more legitimate competitive (and casual) scene because of it. 
Yes it's free to play, but try cheating for more than 30 minutes and see what happens. Your handle will be broadcast to every one of the thousands of players currently online as you are banned, so everyone can bear witness to your failure and have a laugh at your expense. 

So while cheating will never fully stop, there are plenty of games that have either all but abolished it (WoW, Dota 2) or have managed to suppress it to the point where it's an oddity, not an everyday occurrence (Rainbow Six: Siege). 

Apex Legends needs a complete overhaul regarding its approach to combating cheats, including a new philosophy on how to treat cheating players and how to treat people who report cheaters. And this new philosophy and new technical approach -- use in conjunction -- would produce far better results than the halfass, confused approach Apex Legends has right now. 

@Jinnobi  Oh i wasn't refuting the point that more can be done, perhaps i should have been clearer on that.

I was just pointing out how much of a gargantuan task it actually is to maintain a solid grasp on cheating as a whole. I gave up on PC gaming years ago as i got tired if competing against cheaters so i can completely sympathize with the struggles y'all are going through as if anything i would say the cheating situation now is far worse than it was back then.

Yeah, I completely agree. And that's the part that worries me. 

There are plenty of examples of how to do it right, but none contain shortcuts that make it easy. 
The choice and consequences are entirely in EAs and/or Respawns control. Do they care enough about the state of their game, and the communities that their game created, do spend the time and money required to overhaul their anticheat system? 

Personally, I think the suits in corporate think that selling hats and retaining profits are of higher priority than fixing the cheating problem -- probably because they really like having more money, but aren't affected by cheating. And I've read too many blogs written years too late that said, "We should have listened to different voices in the community - hindsight is 20/20" etc etc 
but the acknowledgement came too late (coughRedOrchestracough). At least Rising Storm (aka Red Orchestra 2) did the anticheat thing right, after we crusaded 3 years for it.