Apex Legends Smurfing and Matchmaking

Reason people flag pubs so high for safe space and so on is split.

1) it's legal to smurf freely in ranked, just see hideouts when he play, so far i only seen him play silver over and over again. This makes ranked the worst place for AVG players to play, they do not meet equal people.

2) recruitment to the game, my example is planetside 2 which is all without any sbmm. I started that, having an AVG survival time of 1,5 seconds after leaving safe spot  it took forever to understand how to survive, but all my friends played for an hour and never came back. I have to say I am a bit of an s&m type so I force myself through these things to see if it gets good. The AVG player don't want this, not catering for these means game will die.

Thing is I get you really well, but I don't thing giving pissing righst is not the right thing as it would * off 90% of the player base but thinking about exclusive content for the top players would give a bigger prize and a proper reason to actualy play at your segment. This is my reasoning and what I think should happen, pushing for sbmm changes isn't really realistic as people would just transition to a new game really quickly.

Just look at Fortnite, they have the same. My daughter got a problem with her profile a couple of years ago so she made a new account while she waited to get back the main account. She hit more then 40 wins in a row, she even went full squads nofill just to get a bit challenge. So you can say more games cater to the same thinking , and for a reason. To have enough active player base to keep the game breathing and living.

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@lightning_5o wrote:
@RC_OceanI agree smurfing isn’t ok. However, with your idea players that have practiced their * off to get to a masters pred skill level get punished. Why should someone gold skill level have a similar win rate to a master or pred level player? Practice and get better the people who do deserve to win more than those who don’t.

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Apex is a game which is designed (and supposed) to entertain. Everybody deserves to have fun, doesn't matter how good or bad they are at the game.

Now that also means that no matter your skill level they don't deserve to get punished. This entire argument is then muddied by the fact that this holds for every player and as whenever a good and bad player mix somebody will get the short end of the stick.

And so the point of the matchmaking "should be" to make sure the every player has an engaging, fun and fair match.

Now the questions that arises are:

1. Is the current matchmaking system doing that?

2. Is fighting equally skilled opponents actually fun?

For low skilled players playing against high skilled players is not fun. But I can imagine that for high skilled players only playing against high skilled opponents is exhausting.

On the other hand, from this analysis we can determine that people don't like playing against high skilled players.

Finally I would like to note that the idea that high skilled players are entitled to more fun than low skilled players is very detrimental for the health of the game. Because if the low skilled players don't have fun they will play other games, and there's always somebody at the bottom of the skill ladder

The downside of reaching your goal....Losing against someone better....Dont want to lose?..Reach your goal then wait til next season or just random play lobbies.

A lot can change when you exchange fun and win.

But the only way that highly skilled players win more often than low skilled players is if lobbies contain a variety of players of different skill levels.

This means that each player can find opponent's around their skill level, but also means that the highly skilled players will make short work of significantly lower skilled player and thus win more often.

At first glance this sounds decent. Until you take into account that because lower skilled players lose more often against higher skilled players, there is a tendency that many low skilled players lose to high skilled players. 

Furthermore I would argue that playing against equally skilled players is more fun since that provides a good challenge.

If I'm deleted before I could even register what happened I'm not having fun. If I delete somebody before they know what's going on I might have some fun, but not a lot.

Finally, success in the game is essentially zero sum (for somebody to win others must lose). And playing against a much higher skilled opponent really sucks.

So while "fun" and "win" are different separate concepts, increasing fun almost necessarily balances the win rates and fluctuating the win rate almost necessarily introduces non-fun games (for a specific group of players).

I'm not saying they are equal, or that you can't have fun without winning.

I'm saying that the entire system is a pile of hot garbage and it's very unlikely that you can both ensure that everybody has a fun game and that higher skill correlates to more wins

This is a game. Nobody want's any trophies, they just want to play the game and have fun. Want trophies? Play ranked.

You're claiming that if everybody is thrown together your friends won't get stomped?

With about 6% being diamond/masters (data from season 8) there would be about 3/4 of them in every lobby. While about 35% (21 players) would be silver or below, 32% (19 players) gold and 26% (16 players) platinum. That means that most players will get stomped. But at least you get to win.

We also separate boxers by weight and skill and by your argument a kid who has been training for a year should be put in a ring with Muhammad Ali. Only fair that Ali would win more, he's just better.

@AnjunakrokusI guarantee you if everyone is thrown together I would have a better experience with my lesser skilled friends bc we would at least have a chance with a balanced team to face. I am not exaggerating when I tell you my pubs consist of 95% diamonds and up mostly masters and preds. You said most players will get stomped, yes as they should the more skilled players EARNED their ability to defeat lesser skilled players. I got killed by ImperialHal today, guess what he’s worked hard to get that good. I have no Ill will at him I learn from it. Comparing boxing to apex isn’t a good analogy, boxing is no different than ranked you work your way up. We are talking about PUB lobbies here. Can we just agree there’s no right solution for everyone? If you think it’s fair that my win rate is around someones win rate who isn’t even half as good as me then I’m wasting my time here. Both sides here make valid points but I cannot accept the fact lesser skilled players have the same or in some cases a even higher win rate than someone tremendously superior to them all due to matchmaking. Imagine you’re really fast at stacking boxes. This other person isn’t fast and is lazy as hell. Y’all get paid the exact same amount, you’re required to stack more boxes than the lazy person despite the fact you are both paid the same all bc you have the ability to stack boxes faster. Is that fair?