Apex Legends Smurfing and Matchmaking

@PulvertomtenCome on man, please read what’s being written. In literally all of my SBMM posts I have been open about new players absolutely being protected. There 100% should be a lengthy safe space for players to learn and enjoy the game. But after a certain point, players should compete in a public setting that exposes people to variety.

After that, if players really want a place to ensure they are exclusively playing as close to their doppelgänger as possible, that place should be the ranked mode (of any game).

So, by your own logic -- Lakers vs Knicks.  Thing is, they're both still PRO.  Sure, one may be better overall than the other....but they're both still PRO teams.  Just like in Apex -- you may be a top player, but there are still going to be players who are still better than you.  Should the Knicks accept defeat and refuse to play against the Lakers and demand to play lesser skilled teams in an entirely different "weight class" so they can win?. You being a better player doesn't mean you deserve more wins -- it means you actually need to work harder to earn those wins and bragging rights.  There has to be some protection for lesser skilled players since so many "top players" (and I say that because there are crutches used that help them be "top") want to casually clean up lobbies of said lower-skilled players so they can brag about their regular 4k damage and 20 kills...that they KNOW they can't get in high-skilled lobbies.  🙃

And this is coming from a lifelong Cleveland fan, so take that how you will. 🤭

@MissTawnieeee

“You being a better player doesn't mean you deserve more wins -- it means you actually need to work harder to earn those wins”

Isn’t this kind of what I am advocating against? My entire point is that we have to work harder for equal or less reward. And for the 4th time, THIS is what opens the convo to comparisons to socialism.

But look, I acknowledge your position— you made it very clear when you said that being more skilled =\= deserving to win more. This is absolutely our impasse. I don’t respect you any less; I have many many friends that support the idea that all players should win evenly. These people typically hate hierarchical structures, but that doesn’t mean I love them any less.

I just can't understand the disconnect in your reasoning of "SBMM is like socialism" while on the other hand crying that YOU aren't rewarded by being given easier games so you can boast about being better than us.  This is very, "socialism for the rich, bootstraps for the rest" in my opinion.  You deserve X while proverbially pooping on others to get it.  Just like there are no ethical millionaires,  just because you are more "competent" at Apex (once again not mentioning the crutches used) doesn't make you more deserving of wins off the backs of others below you.  

I honestly can't even believe this conversation had to turn to this, actually.  It's pretty silly.  Bottom line is if you're only winning against lower-skilled people -- and have advantages such as pre-made squads, scuffs/strike packs/paddles/Cronus/etc.) -- well, then by all means keep on doing whatever you need to do to feel superior. Apex needs to fix its SBMM and make smurfing more difficult to protect the integrity of the game and to encourage good gaming sportsmanship.  

@MissTawnieeee“There are no ethical millionaires.”

Please tell me you aren’t serious. There are plenty of people who took risks and worked extremely hard to earn millions. The fact that you think being a millionaire makes you inherently unethical is disappointing and pretty telling actually. No wonder you seemed offended when I referenced “socialism”.

And for the record, you likely glanced over several of my comments without actually reading them— never did I say that high skilled players should ONLY play lower skilled players. I’m seeking VARIANCE.

Say it with me: “variance”.

Say it again please: “VARIANCE”.

Why is variance in a competitive activity important? Why would it be important that SOMETIMES you should play a highly skilled player and SOMETIMES you should play less grueling opponents? Because the moment you lock people into an experience it can become super stressful.

I don’t want SBMM removed, I want it tweaked. That in addition to making it harder to create new accounts, would likely reduce the Smurfing problem (you know, the whole point of this thread).

@Axs5626Sxa5001 its easy to get offended when you mention socialism, there are many countries that is founded and run by it today which are very successful for most people. Just wanted to comment on that one 😉

There is a few constructive posts here but it runs down to how can one adopt to the masses as well as the top 5% players. By changing the SBMM you cater for the 5% and poop on the 95% to be honest, I really dont think this is the way to go, this is the problem and probably why so many use less constructive arguments in the discussion.

I understand your argument that you should feel like you have more "wins" then someone who just started the game just because you put in the work, I dont think so but we are both quite allowed to not agree on this point. Fact comes down to one thing, being a part of the 5% should give you something unique, something worth the sweat and tears, one suggestion is changing SBMM to get a more laid back pubs, but other solutions might be there to make sure the last 95% dont flick the finger and just goes to a title that cater for their needs. Fact is some people even if they put in all the hard work wont be able to break out of gold, they might still love the game and I think they should also have a place in the game without being treated like trash. They are a part of the community that keeps the game alive, I do see both sides and I think its important.

Idd say if EA/Respawn manage to cater for both groups, that is the key to keep the game vibrant and alive for years to come 😉