At what level can you last longer than 1 to 3 hits?

@reconzero look, what's the difference between everyone 100% equal and having rng decide the rest? Vs not? Not much, right?

In perfect mm you are looking at 50/50 win rates in 1v1's with equal loot. So... Um.. What is the point? Game would still feel like crap. You say mm is an issue yet rng seems to be a bigger factor even with equal stats? Even with equal stats I still forsee complains about it all. Ever stop and think that "maybe I'm not that good and shouldn't win that often?" it's realistic.

We could go on for days about hitting your wingman shots or not. We know who that's on. Do I agree that it should be that hard to use? Well, that's a separate issue...

@blackeyeriver

"what's the difference between everyone 100% equal and having rng decide the rest?"

This is false equivalence. Even if you could put together a lobby of "equal" players, virtually identical k/ds, win rates, kills/match, etc., you would find that those stats are just a fraction of what actually defines gameplay. Such a match would most definitely not be decided by luck. It would be decided by teamwork, by playstyle, by any one or combination of a dozen other factors. Believing that it would be a strictly luck-based outcome is believing that the only two factors at work in battle royale shooters are "who sees who first" and "accuracy." Those aren't even the only two factors at work now, and they still wouldn't be no matter how tight the matchmaking gets.

"Even with equal stats I still forsee complains about it all."

Oh, this is definitely true. Gamers will complain about the time of day or any other thing that pops into their heads.

"Ever stop and think that "maybe I'm not that good and shouldn't win that often?"

This is true in a brutally honest way. It's the brutality of that truth that prompted the developer to go with matchmaking that is skill-based, and to stick with it all these years. I can't think of a shooter I've ever played that didn't use it in one form or another. And there's a big difference between wanting fights that feel more fair on the one hand, and wanting fights that more often end in wins on the other.

@reconzero well that's what I was saying. Mm can be there but more of it does not equal a better outcome, in fact the opposite. How fun would it be if preds only played preds or masters only masters etc? There needs to be both good and bad players in the lobby so everyone feels like they participated in some way. Maybe not win all that much if you're not that good (and why expect otherwise) but fun is worth more. Makes no sense to expect the whole world to have 1 kd and 5% win rate just because we say it's fair to us. And when you say other things come into play in "perfect" lobbies - well the game would no doubt adjust then, to make you just as equal as the rest, wouldn't it? So all your hard work for nothing then?

I know you're not a fortnite player and I can respect that. I held the same opinion for years, until I tried their no build mode.. Dude try it. It's free. You'll see why I say less mm is a good thing. The art style grows on you, I hated it at first. And you honestly can't say the issue is mm while some players refuse to learn the weapons properly, because "they have a job.." you know they exist and might know some of them and you know they're salty about it 🙂 the game can't help you there.