Can we all just agree that SBMM doesn't work and Soft Aimbot does exist?

💯 agreed

@bosourd 

This happens more than people think. I call this type of cheater "Ninja Cheater' as they stay in the dark. Also like you said, with these cheaters turning it off and/ or keeping the aim-snap to a minimum it would be super hard for most people to notice.

Overwatch had 100 players in the top 500 for cheating. That's 20% of the best players found to be cheating in some way. Overwatch is a paid title, now think of Free To Play titles.

The numbers of possible exploits being used on a daily basis could be unimaginable. I honestly think 10 people in every Apex Legend match is cheating. I just keep an Nvidia reply on my computer and if I see a cheat, I hit the record button.

@bosourd Idk, Im not saying these cheats don't exist, but there's a lot of assuming going on here. You say that you can tell by their general gameplay, but that doesn't really mean anything. Like, looting slow or not using abilities, there's a million reasons why they aren't acting the way you'd expect them to act.

@bosourd but that's the thing, you say that it would be naive not to suspect fishy players, but I feel like it's also pretty naive to think that someone beat you for any unordinary reason. I mean, generally you have no reason to suspect that anyone is incapable of doing something they just did. Someone else winning isn't a cause for suspicion, but there's definitely a loser mentality that demands reasons for their loser-ness and "they're cheating" is an incredibly easy answer for someone trying to avoid the truth. No one even knows exactly how prevalent cheaters are in the game, so there's no way to guess how probible it is that the person you're playing against is cheating. I don't deal with cheaters that much, but the true gamers on this forum would lead you to believe that they're everywhere. The objective here is to call out unreasonable gameplay and that's fine as long as everyone is honest about what is and isn't reasonable.

10 in every match? Come on man, that's ridiculous. Don't just make up numbers dude, it doesn't do anyone any good. 

@bosourdIt's not that easy to determine who's using soft aimbot and who isn't. The idea of it is to be undetectable, so it doesn't make sense to turn it on/off all the time. I doubt those who use this type of cheat want to display obvious discrepancies to potential spectators.

It happened to me to laser someone and completely miss the next target. Many factors can cause this, like different movement, different ping, glitches caused by performance issues, input lag, etc..The worst is when I track a moving target and it glitches right when I lock it, jumping forward a little, usually. In these cases I end up undershooting half the mag, then overshooting the rest as I try to quickly readjust while also fighting recoil.

Many times after something like the above occurs, I get "noob" toxicity from teammates, who don't actually see my own view. This is very important fact to consider, as almost everyone believes that the spectate mode is a video stream. The spectating mode is a simulation built on the spectator's device, with player data coming from the server, if I have like 250ms ping to the server, a player that has 20ms and spectates me might probably see things very differently. All this without factoring other stuff like the different displays (resolution, ratios) and the sound issues (for example, you can hear footsteps, pings or voiceovers while spectating someone who doesn't actually hear those on his device).