Cheater cries boo boo (Dexerto)

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@NitromethaneAP wrote:

@Koochi-Q  keep editing your post and perhaps it will make sense to you after 10 times. Like I said, you dont actually know anything about this topic - so give it a rest.

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Actually you're the one who's ignorant of the facts here.

Multitudes of streamers signed to e-sports organisations have been clipped and recorded with the aimbot exposed. Slow plays demonstrate rapid swapping and locking to targets and immediately headshotting them.

These target swaps happen in 1 frame, faster than humanly possible. And a certain rank 4 Predator is currently abusing loss forgiveness every game where they're losing. Even tho this player is not good enough to be considered for a tournament squad.

You're actually ignorant of the facts.

I bet you're one of those gullible people who was actually surprised that Lance Armstrong used doping to win the Tour de France.

@Wingmannedbro

so show me a single clip of the apex streamers "cheating". You said you had facts, where are they? In your imaginary world? A random predator cheating? Is that it? Or are you going to link Diego when he ALT+F4 once after getting killed by an aimbotter? Or Dizzy when he was flick aiming headshots?

You're probably one of those console players who thought Dizzy was cheating because you can't comprehend what wrist aiming looks like.

Look, I know that people have tried to cheat in other games and they have gotten caught. But from what tournament in Apex did you suspect anyone cheating in - what evidence do you actually have that would even bring any suspicion onto any of the top Apex players?

And unlike you, I´m actually grateful to what streamers contribute with - you know by making the game more popular - growing the playerbase, teaching people how to play - and the free publicity that it brings. If anything I think we need to have a separate console / PC forum.

@NitromethaneAP 

You're on record here on the forums defending and admitting removing muzzle flash on PC.

You defend them, because you're one of them. And only aimbot snaps to targets in less than a frame.

It's not me "not comprehending" wrist movements. Just how old do you think I am? I probably used computers while you had you diapers changed. If you think i'm a stranger to PC gaming or mouse aim you're sadly mistaken.

And in case of Diego it's not "that one video" I saw his team mates "crash" nearly every single game the exact instant they died and lost fights for more than a dozen games in a row. At the same time that this nobody who's not even close to the skill level of someone like Aceu as if by magic becomes rank 4 predator even tho he's too bad to be placed on a competitive squad.

And any normal person will understand what's going on here, but since you're admittingly someone who used to remove muzzle flash and main R99 you're personally triggered I just called your scene a rat's nest of frauds and hacks.

@Wingmannedbro 

I see, so reducing muzzle flash is cheating? How about the aim assist that is 95% of the skill involved in console gameplay - perhaps we need to remove that too and see what skill actually looks like on consoles?

Reducing it made the game for the better, and since the dawn of times (ever since quake - we PC players have always adjusted our config files, something you would never understand as an Console player. Is reducing shadows also cheating? Or setting graphics to low? Changing your FOV also cheating? You understand that these are actual commands in the engine that are used in almost every other game that is running this engine? Thats why they removed the command from the engine, since they cant "ban" people from actually using commands that are avalible from the source engine. Guess you´ll continue being a clueless console player.

Again I see no "facts" just some random console player making an argument that "ooh people cheat in other games, hurr durr lets chase Apex streamers cuz they must be cheating". If people abused the ALT+F4 they should be dealt with, there is no defending that. But no actual top Apex streamer did that. There was a few non competitive players who did. And I´m pretty sure they also got banned. The aimbotters that are hard to deal with is not the 1 frame HS ones, its the more sophisticated ones that take time to defend against or actually notice btw.

@NitromethaneAP 

Yes, removing muzzle flash was not allowed, this is evidenced by the fact it was removed, and EA officials, here on this forum have stated officially it was not allowed, and that accounts could be sanctioned for it.

Those same commands could have been used to completely remove particle effects, allowing you to destroy people in Bangalore smokes without seeing any of the smoke yourself. Would you not consider this cheating? 

And once again, you seem to think I don't own a PC, or never even used one. And if you think aim assist accounts for 95% of console skills you're hilariously ignorant of the facts.

I play with assist turned off, since it doesn't exactly help to have it feel like somebody yanks on my reticle once in every 20 games unexpected. You're welcome to try Apex out and see for yourself how "easy" it is.

Playing Apex with mouse is infinitely easier.

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@NitromethaneAP  schrieb:

@Wingmannedbro 

I see, so reducing muzzle flash is cheating? How about the aim assist that is 95% of the skill involved in console gameplay - perhaps we need to remove that too and see what skill actually looks like on consoles?

Reducing it made the game for the better, and since the dawn of times (ever since quake - we PC players have always adjusted our config files, something you would never understand as an Console player. Is reducing shadows also cheating? Or setting graphics to low? Changing your FOV also cheating? You understand that these are actual commands in the engine that are used in almost every other game that is running this engine? Thats why they removed the command from the engine, since they cant "ban" people from actually using commands that are avalible from the source engine. Guess you´ll continue being a clueless console player.

Again I see no "facts" just some random console player making an argument that "ooh people cheat in other games, hurr durr lets chase Apex streamers cuz they must be cheating". If people abused the ALT+F4 they should be dealt with, there is no defending that. But no actual top Apex streamer did that. There was a few non competitive players who did. And I´m pretty sure they also got banned. The aimbotters that are hard to deal with is not the 1 frame HS ones, its the more sophisticated ones that take time to defend against or actually notice btw.

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Let me guess, you are probably that kind of guy, who thinks, using macros or scripts is also not cheating at all, and completly legit, right?

And why do you think they removed the commands from the engine?

Because it was all legit and abusers were able to reduced muzzle flashes, smokes and stuff? You think it was Respawns intention in the first place? I do not think so.

So, your argumentation makes no sense at all.

Using every advantage you can possibly think of to play a game is kind of pathetic to me and makes me sick. Or I am just too old for that stuff.

But with every comment from you it seems to me that you like to defend cheaters, streamers or cheating streamers. Oh but I fogot, in your world, cheating streamers don't exist, right?

Yeah... makes sense...

@Wingmannedbro  First of all, it didn't completely remove muzzle flash - it reduced it. And there was no official EA response to it - other than a generic response that people should not add autoexec.cfg, you do know it was even allowed at a point in the competitive scrims?

That was actually an exploit, since when reducing resolution impacted the game in ways that was not expected. But reducing muzzle flash - you have it in 9/10 games built on this engine.

Same as changing FOV. So why is it not considered "cheating" in every other game that is running this engine? Probably because those games never got released on console (thank god) and we don't have to deal with you console "gamers" in those games/forums making these ridiculous claims.

Reason why they removed the command from the engine - we can speculate, I think it had to do with that the balance of the weapons are tied to muzzle flash in Apex. Example, Devotion early game with little muzzle flash would be too strong.

I´m still waiting for the evidence you didn't have regarding Apex streamers cheating - guess there was none.

Why would I ever play on a console, I'm not 9. And I don't want aim assist doing 95% of the work for me, that is cheating in PC world - just saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S61HeFBnzek

Oops, I shouldn't have ADS'd with multiple targets in close quarters

In fact, they're even doing it in LAN tournaments 

There's entire Reddit's dedicated to this 

And even your precious Shroud is seen in a recent upload blatantly locking onto an AFK guy and emptying an entire magazine on a wall before realizing the mistake playing the new CoD.

But apparently it's my responsibility to help you overcome your starstruck impressions of the "pro" scene, because lord forbid you'd ever stop being lazy and do any investigation on your own.

But you go ahead and believe that even tho every single "pro" circuit, from fitness and sports to business and everything in between is riddled with hacks frauds and imposters. Apex Legends, a game infamous for being infested with hackers, somehow, inexplicably has a sqeaky clean scene. And that's sound thinking, right? That's what an adult would assume, correct? 

You should be happy about this, what it effectively means, is that all of us are actually better than we think we are, and shouldn't have to feel bad for not having a "pro" KDR.

[Edit] forgot to tagg you so you'd get a notification of my reply @NitromethaneAP 

@Wingmannedbro  after watching the montage about Dizzy I seriously just can't take you seriously anymore, sorry and hf with that conspiracy theory - hopefully you´ll one day invest time into actually learning what cheats really look like and how they behave compared to flick aiming with a wrist aim.

You forgot the part that the guy is playing it back on 60hz, while Dizzy was playing on 240hz...

I honestly understand now why console players are considered the laughing stock of the gaming community...

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@Wingmannedbro  schrieb:

Oops, I shouldn't have ADS'd with multiple targets in close quarters

In fact, they're even doing it in LAN tournaments 

There's entire Reddit's dedicated to this 

And even your precious Shroud is seen in a recent upload blatantly locking onto an AFK guy and emptying an entire magazine on a wall before realizing the mistake playing the new CoD.

But apparently it's my responsibility to help you overcome your starstruck impressions of the "pro" scene, because lord forbid you'd ever stop being lazy and do any investigation on your own.

But you go ahead and believe that even tho every single "pro" circuit, from fitness and sports to business and everything in between is riddled with hacks frauds and imposters. Apex Legends, a game infamous for being infested with hackers, somehow, inexplicably has a sqeaky clean scene. And that's sound thinking, right? That's what an adult would assume, correct? 

You should be happy about this, what it effectively means, is that all of us are actually better than we think we are, and shouldn't have to feel bad for not having a "pro" KDR.

[Edit] forgot to tagg you so you'd get a notification of my reply @NitromethaneAP 

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Thanks for sharing this.

First video at 7:00 shows it all, perfect example for aimlock.

For me, this whole streamer scene is joke.

It is just a contest of who is having the best undetactable cheats.

I am not mentioning any names but I would assume that every big streamer uses some kind of "helper" to bring them their advantage.

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@NitromethaneAP  schrieb:

I honestly understand now why console players are considered the laughing stock of the gaming community...

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I am not on console, but OMG, are you done?

Do you want to start a discussion about PC Vs. Console or talk about Apex?!

Stop mixing up things and focus on the topic.

How can anyone be so so so conviced, his favorite streamers are legit and never cheated?!

You just can not be sure! How could you?!

For me the only explanation is, that you cheat or cheated yourself, simply from reading the stuff you wrote here.

Otherwise you would not defend them so much.

Any comments on my questions about makros or scripts? Nah? Thought so..

@JjumpingJjack  Are you seriously claming that Dizzy is cheating? I think I have enough memes that will last me an entire life just from this thread by now, thank you.

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@NitromethaneAP wrote:

@Wingmannedbro  after watching the montage about Dizzy I seriously just can't take you seriously anymore, sorry and hf with that conspiracy theory - hopefully you´ll one day invest time into actually learning what cheats really look like and how they behave compared to flick aiming with a wrist aim.

You forgot the part that the guy is playing it back on 60hz, while Dizzy was playing on 240hz...

I honestly understand now why console players are considered the laughing stock of the gaming community...

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That's funny you say that since it's the hacker community that's considered a bad joke. The problem with you people is that you ask for evidence.

And when it's submitted, you refuse to acknowledge it, even tho you'd report someone who killed you if you spected this, and saw that happen.

You know what wrist flicks don't do? Rapidly sperging out between targets cause they're too close to each other. You also mysteriously make no mention of "pro's" getting busted hacking on tournament PC's or an entire goldmine on Reddit.

But i already know why you're personally offended by hackusations, and literally anything according to you is just "wrist flicks" it's because you're one of them.

That's right, you defend caught and busted hacks and frauds, because you are one. You have an extended history on this forum defending cheating with all manner of strange arguments.

@JjumpingJjack 

Basically anyone who always quick scopes with any gun in situations where that doesn't make sense is a fraud.

Aimbot assistance doesn't activate unless you aim and fire for the most part, it can be configured otherwise, but pretty much nobody does.

This is why they literally always ADS peacekeeper no matter how close enemy is.

@Wingmannedbro 

this thread has been a gold mine so far, in showcasing the ignorance of you console players.

The biggest benefit of wrist aiming is that it can do exactly THAT, that you are seeing Dizzy do - in close range you can lock and flick to targets and even juggle targets with an insane speed. You can even see Dizzy doing this when there is NO target - when he is scouting corners & angles, he is showing the same exact patterns - that should give you a clue that he is not "cheating".

"Rapidly sperging out between targets cause they're too close to each other" that's called micro flicking/minor flick zone, something you again have no clue about. This is a technique used in high FPS gaming, to either by fast micro flicks swap between shots on targets or to adjust recoil...Seriously in what cave have you been in the past 10 years?

Looking at his DPI/Sens, 800dpi with 2.5 sens that means that he has a 360 "minor flick zone" (with 110 fov).

The downside to wrist aiming is that it is not as accurate as other techniques , that you also can see (the shots are quite often landing on the body).

"But..But one frame snap my console brain can't handle" the guy is playing it back on 60hz when Dizzy is playing on a 240hz monitor, so that argument is BS.

And if you think this is "crazy" you should see the precision in some of the best arm aiming guys have... I think your brain would explode.

When you don't even know what techniques these people use and how they work, please don't judge what you simply do not understand. I for one can admire the aim Dizzy has, I´m not a beta who can't comprehend that people actually have a better aim than me - Dizzy in this case, someone who can swap from tracking to micro flick in a heartbeat. But then again you are a console player, I dont expect anything else from you. This dude is playing with aim assist that is doing 95% of the work and he is claiming that dizzy is "cheating". Let me guess, the earth is flat in your world?

They'll be up for an Oscar this year! Best comedy performance. Or perhaps a Raspberry. 😛

Anyway, crocodile tears / drowning in self-pity. 👮

@NitromethaneAP 

"The biggest benefit of wrist aiming is that it can do exactly THAT, that you are seeing Dizzy do - in close range you can lock and flick to targets and even juggle targets with an insane speed. You can even see Dizzy doing this when there is NO target - when he is scouting corners & angles, he is showing the same exact patterns - that should give you a clue that he is not "cheating"."

Do you even realize you're straight up saying it's aimbotting. I repeat.

"in close range you can lock and flick to targets"

And stop trying to milk this "you console players" angle you're trying to use to discredit hard evidence. We have computers, we've been using them for a long time.

I've likely been gaming on PC when you were a literal baby, who pooped in diapers and puked on your mom.

You're either dishonest, or in breathtaking denial. I'm betting on dishonest. And not surprisingly, you're only doubling down on the clip you think you can defend. Even tho the dizzy video has multitides of examples of Dizzy "wrist flicking" to targets, only to show he's off target in the slow motion, and magically snap to the target the very instant he shoots.

But then that's just something to call "microflicking" even tho events go faster than human reaction speed can handle.

@Wingmannedbro 

there is no point in having a discussion with you, since you do not understand anything :P

If you want to continue, come over to the competitive reddit with your braindead input, I´m sure they will have a laugh. But I just can't be bothered explaining basic things to a console player, I tried but your limited knowledge in anything that I explained just shows that you are clueless.

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@NitromethaneAP wrote:

@Wingmannedbro 

there is no point in having a discussion with you, since you do not understand anything :P

If you want to continue, come over to the competitive reddit with your braindead input, I´m sure they will have a laugh. But I just can't be bothered explaining basic things to a console player, I tried but your limited knowledge in anything that I explained just shows that you are clueless.

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And once again, trying to argue on a platform of your imagined superior understanding of computer technology, which you don't really have, and resulting to petty insults desparately trying to assert yourself as an authority based on absolutely nothing at all.

You've given absolutely no explanation how Dizzy's alleged "micro flicks" happen in time frames faster than humanly possible, or how his magical "flicks" move his crosshairs faster than a human hand could actually move a mouse at low DPI setting in the first place.

And an invite to take this to a reddit?  No thanks, literally the garbage bin of the internet.

Since you're so keen on going to reddit, have fun arguing your insane talking points, and ad hominem debate style with these guys 

And you're COMPLETELY ignoring the video about the scandals of hacking being caught at LAN tournaments. 

Rag tagg is going to get some good material out of this thread. 

I think it's about time that this thread came to a close, it's not going to go anywhere good.