I actually didn't know that EA/Respawn rents their servers from a 3rd party company, Multiplay which I think is owned by Unity. Their 6 year contract with Multiplay will end on August around the time season 10 starts. Can Respawn actually change their servers or rent servers from other companies instead? I don't know much about computer stuff and would like to see the opinion of those who actually know about this kind of things. Additional questions:1. Can the tickrate be improved if they switched companies for their servers?2. Can the servers actually be improved?3. Should Multiplay be blamed for the recent server hacks? Context:

That's typically how mostly all game developers do it. I've never really heard of a video game developer having their servers owned by them.1. Can the tickrate be improved if they switched companies for their servers? Sure it could if they wanted to do that.2. Can the servers actually be improved? This would lead back to the first question. With a different company they likely wouldn't have the exact same hardware, so they could have faster servers, which could allow them to increase tick-rate. They could also have better network security as well.3. Should Multiplay be blamed for the recent server hacks? Yes, and no. Server providers provide the physical hardware and network infrastructure for video game developers, video game developers then upload their server software to the server to allow others to connect and play their games online. Remote access passwords etc is likely setup by Respawn. Multiplay however would be in control when it comes to server attacks such as DDosing and things of that nature. So as far as what seems to be DDosing in some occasions I would say the server providers security could be to blame. But the "savetitanfall" hack was Respawn's fault I believe, due to the hacker seeming to use the same method of accessing the servers that Respawn uses. The hacker probably just found their passwords somewhere and connected.

@hayhor hope is just a tool for creating disappointment, keep up the pessimism dude it's much healthier. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than constantly disappointed lol.xD

1.Increasing the tickrate will only cause more instability. Apex already eats a lot of bandwidth and puts a lot of pressure on both servers and clients in terms of processing power. By asking a 3x increase in data rate you actually ask to triple the required bandwidth while increasing the need for processing power required like 3 times. The cost for that would be way more than 3 times bigger, but it would require the whole infrastructure to be upgraded to keep up (fiber for everyone), otherwise it's a waste of money.2. The Hybrid Cloud tech provided by Multiplay is something pretty new, so this implies they're probably using newer technology than most other companies that provide game hosting services. Switching to another hosting provider may require a serious refactoring of the game's netcode and possibly some changes on the game engine as well, highly likely too much trouble with absolutely no guarantee of improvements.3. Maybe Multiplay should come forward with some explanations of what's going on, but players also need to understand better what these attacks are. Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) and Man in the Middle (MITM) attacks are very tricky and don't really require server breaches. Hackers know it's the players that are the vulnerable points and typically target them and the network infrastructure that's around them or the servers. At the same time, players need to understand that security in games usually comes with a huge cost on performance. The level of security can be raised, but beyond a certain point the game would become literally unplayable (seconds of delay, players kicked out of matches pretty often, a lot of issues like rubberbanding, stuttering, freezes, etc.. Hmm, seems familiar...This is not to say that improvements can't be made. Thing is, most players have unrealistic expectations, which will never ever be met, so there will be endless disappointment. This is just a game, people!

With how much Apex legends has been made over the years, it would be wise to upgrade the services from Unity Multiplay servers and/ or just find better ones once the current contract ends in August.I would honestly enjoy this a ton for Apex Legends.

@Cheese9Man So you never paid attention to @doyaseeme’s or E9’s posts? xD. They mentioned multiple times that multiplay is server provider. Heck, the only company I know who uses own servers and rents others is Microsoft with it’s Azure servers like they did with Crackdown 3 and now Microsoft Flight Simulator.1) tickrate can always be increased. EA just has to pay more for that service and in their QnA with the server person they explained why they wouldn’t do that (for now).2) & 3) same as shellshock stated

EA/Respawn does not own the servers?

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OoShellshock
5 years ago
That's typically how mostly all game developers do it. I've never really heard of a video game developer having their servers owned by them.
1. Can the tickrate be improved if they switched companies for their servers? Sure it could if they wanted to do that.
2. Can the servers actually be improved? This would lead back to the first question. With a different company they likely wouldn't have the exact same hardware, so they could have faster servers, which could allow them to increase tick-rate. They could also have better network security as well.
3. Should Multiplay be blamed for the recent server hacks? Yes, and no. Server providers provide the physical hardware and network infrastructure for video game developers, video game developers then upload their server software to the server to allow others to connect and play their games online. Remote access passwords etc is likely setup by Respawn. Multiplay however would be in control when it comes to server attacks such as DDosing and things of that nature. So as far as what seems to be DDosing in some occasions I would say the server providers security could be to blame. But the "savetitanfall" hack was Respawn's fault I believe, due to the hacker seeming to use the same method of accessing the servers that Respawn uses. The hacker probably just found their passwords somewhere and connected.
Anonymous
5 years ago
With how much Apex legends has been made over the years, it would be wise to upgrade the services from Unity Multiplay servers and/ or just find better ones once the current contract ends in August.

I would honestly enjoy this a ton for Apex Legends.
Koochi-Q
5 years ago
@Cheese9Man So you never paid attention to @doyaseeme’s or E9’s posts? xD. They mentioned multiple times that multiplay is server provider. Heck, the only company I know who uses own servers and rents others is Microsoft with it’s Azure servers like they did with Crackdown 3 and now Microsoft Flight Simulator.

1) tickrate can always be increased. EA just has to pay more for that service and in their QnA with the server person they explained why they wouldn’t do that (for now).

2) & 3) same as shellshock stated
MandatoryIDtag
5 years ago
@Koochi-Q Wasn't the fundamental issue with topic essentially that respawn doesn't feel that the improvement from 20hz to 60hz will be substantial enough to make the extra cost viable.
There was a blog written on this where same duc gives an example basically stating;
"player with a 50-millisecond ping would experience a 75-millisecond delay, getting 5 frames of lag if running the game at 60 FPS while on a 20Hz tick rate. If the tick rate was boosted to 60 Hz, the same math would see 3 frames of lag."
So essentially the bottom line is I doubt they'll make the jump to 60hz as they view it as a pointless expense. Which means they'll probably either renew the multiplay contract or jump to another provider offering 20hz aswell lol. >.>
hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
I would expect since the contract expires soon they already have a plan for what is next. Imperialhal has mentioned on stream that good things are coming in regards to servers and ddosers so maybe he knows something.
MandatoryIDtag
5 years ago
@hayhor well I sincerely hope your predictions better than mine, improved servers would be lovely.
hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@MandatoryIDtag I actually agree with your assessment based on what they said previously so I dont really have hope. 🤣
MandatoryIDtag
5 years ago
@hayhor hope is just a tool for creating disappointment, keep up the pessimism dude it's much healthier.
I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than constantly disappointed lol.xD
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@Cheese9Man Shoot I don't see how you can not know I state this every post nearly of people complaining about EA servers. Stating they only rent the servers the games are played on. =P
CCbathwater
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@hayhor Let's go, Hal! It would be needed. Since we got our regular playlists back I've had so many prediction errors, just prediction errors, ruining many games as it gets so laggy and choppy throughout the entire match.