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I loved Apex Legends. I used to play it every day for about 4-6 hours. I mean every * day.
My brothers also played. There were 4 of us, so we always had a full group + 1 to spare in case one of us was busy.
We all quit. Every single one of us. It's been about a year now. Do you know why we quit?
Hackers are why we quit. We got tired of constantly being on the cusp of winning, only to be shot through a wall, or headshot multiple times at extreme ranges, or have someone be able to duck and weave at inhuman speed to dodge while at the same time having pinpoint accuracy.
I predicted this hacker hell would never get better. So we quit. And I've never regretted it.
A year later? The problems have grown - and I know I saved myself and my family tons of wasted time and frustration by convincing them to move on. I wish I didn't have to do that.
Video games are like sports. If someone cheats in baseball or football or wrestling or boxing, they are banned and fined and shamed. On this forum, you can't even mention a name of a blatant cheater without being threatened by the admins. Yet games like Rainbow Six Siege announce bans on every active game at the time of the banning. Do you notice the two starkly different philosophies here?
Apex put all the responsibility on one dude, Hideouts, and expect that to work somehow. The issue is that EA doesn't want to spend money on a free to play game. They don't care about the player. They care about the bottom line. Even if everyone quit now, they've already made their billions. The financial incentive isn't there.
* EA. Quit the game, move on to a game developer that cares. If everyone gave as much money to Hell Let Loose or Rising Storm: Vietnam or Rainbow Six Siege, you'd have a hacker-free community that appreciates fairness and is way more balanced and team-oriented. But no, the real quality developers loses to Wal-Mart - style huge game companies like EA that don't give a * about us. They lie to us. Promise innovative new anti-cheats and hiring a team of people to stop cheating, while driving around in Lexus' on our dime. Because we liked that new skin for our favorite character.
I loved Apex, but the cheaters - and more importantly, the response (read: the lack of response) - broke me down. You lost 4 players, and we all spent like $200 on the game in cosmetics. I wish I could have that money back.
Sorry guys, I truly wish Apex Legends had all the cheaters removed. I'd be back in a heartbeat. But no, it is finished.
- 5 years ago
@Cheese9Man We play Vermintide 2, we play Rainbow Six Siege, we play Hell Let Loose. Those are the shooters. Funny how there are no cheaters in those games. (We also played Rising Storm: Vietnam until Tripwire dropped support, which was sad. I am looking forward to '83 thought.)
We play Total War: Warhammer 2, Divinity 2: Original Sin, we play Crusader Kings 3, we play WoW, we play Dota 2, we play Wasteland 3. No cheaters, of course.
I play AC: Valhalla and Chivalry 2, no cheaters.
I also play Monster Hunter: Rise and Civ 6.
As you can see, I play a lot of games across platforms. I loved Apex Legends, I think it was in my top 5 games. It was Witcher 3: Wild Hunt -level. But cheaters will destroy communities.
EDIT: oh and I play Pokemon Shield :3 still no cheaters though- 5 years ago@Jinnobi The thing is, a developer has to give a * about cheaters in order to stop them, because stopping cheating costs money. Especially in a shooter.
But it pays for itself many times over.
A game like Apex Legends should have AT LEAST two anti-cheat programs running at the same time, plus a 15-20 man team that actively monitors cheating for a year or so. Once cheating is reduced, they can cut back on the human monitoring and let the anti-cheat programs carry the bulk of the weight.
Look at Rainbow Six Siege. It doesn't have a hacker problem, because every single day you see a CONSTANT stream of announcements saying "X was banned for *insert reason here*" and that shows everyone playing, at all hours, at all levels of skill, that cheating will not be tolerated. You will get hardware banned. There is no mercy. There shouldn't be.
RS: Siege is a * esport. Apex will never be, because they treat cheaters like honored guests.
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