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4 years ago
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Explaining how the matchmaking works

Of course this is not a definitive explanation of how the MM works and should not be considered as 100% factual but it’s a compilation of experiences and quotes from developers. They’ll never reveal really why you’re placed in that lobby since it can be abused.

Here are the highlights of the video if you don’t want to watch it but I suggest to still go through the video since it contains a lot more informative stuff and more context to the explanation about MM.

BR matchmaking:

  • I’ve said this multiple times. The MM’s #1 priority is SHORT QUEUE TIMES.
  • Prioritize making matches quickly rather than creating a perfect match. This is most noticable in smaller populated regions or at late night sessions. Quantity > Quality
  • The MM system is exploitable if people knew how it really works.
  • The MM system changes often and they make tweaks all the time and these tweaks are not broadcasted (like that region lock thing).
  • “Game is best when you are trying to play “for real” even in pubs. We’ve seen real data that shows people who lose or win too much have a much higher chance to stop playing forever.”
  • Players don’t want to sweat in pubs but they also don’t want to lose at the same time.
  • ”If you have a VERY tight skill based matchmaking, you’ll have sweaty matches because it’s like a mirrior match fight-yourself boss fight.”
  • If they don’t implement any sort of MM, you might get some free kills but someone in that lobby will easily steamroll you and your team. We all experienced that one squad killing the whole lobby. 
  • They’re always working to improve the MM. 
  • It’s a very complicated system with so many variables affecting the MM.
  • Your KDR, rank, recent matches and etc are factors why you’re placed in that lobby. 
  • Joining in a pre-made squad is the only way to reduce the frustrations that you get from random teammates. 
  • Play at peak hours in highly populated servers.

Arenas ranked MM:

I’ve already made a post about this a few weeks ago but for the sake of completion, here’s what a dev said on twitter:

  • You can have the same MMR but have different ranks
  • If you solo queue at high levels, there’s isn’t enough solo queue enemies as well since most arena preds/masters 3-stack.

The content creator suggested to play at highly populated servers at peak times so that the matchmaker would have an easier time picking similarly skilled players but this isn’t always the case for me. In fact, I find Saturdays and Sundays sweatier. I think @KelRiever said it best in one his posts that it’s almost impossible to create a perfect MM system since there’s so many variables and so many players (60 players/match) to consider to have a well balanced match.

Do you agree with the video?

What other variables or stats do you think Respawn should consider when placing you in a lobby?

If you were Respawn, what changes do you want to make?

Dev’s most recent statement on MM: https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Respawn-admits-that-MM-is-broken/m-p/11119368#M193240

  • @Cheese9Man

    Matchmaking remains the topic of most interest to me. Like others, I have conducted tests and data pulls using a multitude of accounts (ranging from high to low ELO). Even though I’m conducting hundreds of test matches, my sample sizes are relatively small (in comparison to how big the community is). So ultimately I consider my findings “suggestive” and not solid proof. All of my tests were for non-ranked. I am confident in the following:

    -Queuing with a full squad tends to put you in lobbies that are mostly full squad teams.

    -Playing with friends will place you against opponents based on your highest skilled teammate. So a Masters-level teammate with two new players will be dropped into a lobby of other high ELO players. This is bad and deters people from playing with friends.

    -Matchmaking is using values such as KD, average damage per game, placement, and possibly accuracy to construct lobbies.

    -Matchmaking will look at your performance over your last games and drop you into lower difficulty lobbies. But there is a caveat here. If you have a lot of data on your account (my main has 61,000 kills), this effect takes FAR FAR longer. I can lose 150-200 consecutive games (with little to no damage) and not get dropped into easier lobbies. However, on several occasions I noticed that losing many matches with low performance results in me getting another high ELO player as a teammate— sometimes two, as the game pairs me with two pre-made players. This suggests that the game is acknowledging your struggle and trying to adjust for it by giving you strong teammates. Conversely, I feel like my teammates are noticeably worse after winning a match. More attention needs to be spent exploring this.

    -Matchmaking prioritizes fast matching in BR ONLY. It will make high ELO players wait in Arenas and LTMs like Winter Express. I ran a test last summer that saw me waiting an average of 7 minutes for an Arenas game over 100 games. And because the system is being very strict with who I play with, this often resulted in games that weren’t the most fluid to play (lag was noticeable).

    -It’s entirely possible (and in my opinion likely) that the SBMM is dialed up or down intentionally around key times, to make the experience slightly better for the largest player group (casual players). The reason for this is to increase the likelihood that these players make purchases.

48 Replies

  • chuckmynorris's avatar
    chuckmynorris
    New Hotshot
    3 years ago

    I feel like mornings/mid-day is the worst time to play. My teammates are most of the time two gold players while I'm Plat II at the moment.

    The enemy times are mostly 2-3 stack masters. 

  • @Cheese9ManI work from home so I have the opportunity to play several hours of Apex Legends a day! Which is my favorite game! A couple of sessions ago I was D! Now I can’t even pass Platinum when I’m jumping into the game and glide down to the map I look back and I see tons or Master player and few Preds! MMR is serious broken! This needs repair ASAP😞! I see cheaters getting away with being in the top! The ones who really put in that work is us! I have money invested in this game and I like it! My kids play but y’all need to fix this issue 🙏! What can be done ✅! Do we need to contact owner of the game or what? What can be done besides filling our ears with words, we want action takin pls!

  • This is awful, my friends and I have been playing every day for the past few weeks and almost every lobby has had us die to plat players or master players. Just tonight all 5 games have been nothing but master players.

    If this is the outcome of "Fast MM" then forget that. I would rather have a 10 minute que with people at my skill level than have to get destroyed by a master player for several hours a day just to have fast ques. 

    Its a sad excuse from a company that doesn't care about new players and only wants to continue to drain the money from the master and pred players that have nothing better to do then drain their parents money on this game.

    It seems far easier to give actual skill based match making then to screw everyone except the master players. hell most of the videos of seen on youtube the master and pred players hate this feature too. So WTF is respawn just ignoreing player feedback?

  • Kyldenar's avatar
    Kyldenar
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @griffin8825 wrote:

    If this is the outcome of "Fast MM" then forget that. I would rather have a 10 minute que with people at my skill level than have to get destroyed by a master player for several hours a day just to have fast ques. 

    Its a sad excuse from a company that doesn't care about new players and only wants to continue to drain the money from the master and pred players that have nothing better to do then drain their parents money on this game.


    LOUDER for the people in the back!

  • I'm new to both FPS games and Apex but the game will have a hard time keeping me interested for long. I love the environments, the design and the characters but it seems like a low return on investment. I managed to meet/friend a bunch of other newbies but after only playing for 4-5 months we find ourselves routinely up against 3-4K kill champion squads. You can guess how those matches go. Maybe there's nothing EA/Respawn can do to fix it? Who knows? All I know is me and my friends are losing interest fast. 

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    3 years ago
    @ewg8n759ljtk 3000 to 4000 kills on a legend really isn't much on a character when the game has been out for 4 years.

    Unfortunately MM punishes premade squads by putting them with other premade squads. I am curious about your kd and win rate?

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