Flatline was first, now R99, Wingman and PK are next?
Of course without any refund for the people that bought those, usual Respawn style making no sense changes 🙂.
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For me, the issue is not with changing the iron sights. My issue is the fact they feel they can change it without repercussion.
This entire thing screams anti-consumer to me.
These are the types of practices that are letting down modern gaming, and I feel like if we keep letting this stuff slide, then gaming as a whole is going to get worse and worse.
The past five years have been so terrible for the gaming industry; Anthem, Cyberpunk, Diablo Immortal, Marvels avengers....These games promised a finished, functioning product or stated no micro transactions/predatory practices would be included. Cyberpunk should never have been released, Anthem was staged release on how rich you are IRL, Diablo Immortal is Diablo immortal and Avengers flipped their promise of no microtransactions immediately.
I know the above are from different studios and not all in EA/Respawn control, but that doesn't mean that Respawn shouldn't be held accountable for anti consumer practices either.
People have already outlined its a cash grab move, nothing to do with integrity, or its just bowing to newcomers who would rather have played warzone/fortnite/pubg than see how cool Apex was.
So in short, for me, i'm just pissed about the anti consumer practices of it all.
I bought a product, a purchase agreement was completed, you are modifying my product after the fact. No bueno.
@DethMetalMilkMan wrote:For me, the issue is not with changing the iron sights. My issue is the fact they feel they can change it without repercussion.
This entire thing screams anti-consumer to me.
So in short, for me, i'm just pissed about the anti consumer practices of it all.
What’s anti consumer is for them selling another skin with the same iron sights.”Oh you need to buy this new skin now with a pay to win iron sights before it goes away from the store!” I get it changing something we all bought is not a good thing but I disagree with Respawn did this to be anti-consumer.
@Cheese9Man After some days to consider, I have two basic theories they did this. One is complaints from high level players who either switched from console to PC after S4 or simply started playing Apex since. And the other is that people who have the skins generally never buy any other Flatline skins. Also I think it was done because they were thoroughly tired of hearing people never shutting up about wanting the skins re-released.
- @pandareno1999 I'd guess it's the second one. People that believe that skin actually gives them an advantage will never ever buy another skin.
@hayhor wrote:
@pandareno1999 I'd guess it's the second one. People that believe that skin actually gives them an advantage will never ever buy another skin.I did not play this game yet in S4, but my buddy informs me that part of the advertising for the S4 battle pass was something along the lines of "the last Flatline skin you'll ever need!"
@pandareno1999It was so people would buy the newer skins. They basically admitted this in the notes. Basically anyone who had that skin wouldn't be interested in any other skin which didn't have those optics. I don't believe pay to win exists here, but those optics did feel better. Same with the optics on the Peacekeeper, it won't change your kd but Old Blue for eg does feel better to use in comparison to the default sight. A bit late to claim the change was for balance though, which they also stated... I'm not for this change, seems unfair to take something away like that after so long. And like the title suggests, if they can change this, what's to stop them changing other skins (or things) like Zero point or any of the others..?
- @pandareno1999 That would be some memory if he remembers that from Feb, 2020. I started looking just to see and I found it super funny that both of the skins people talk about as P2W have sights on them in the trailer, the flatline even has the crappy 1x2.
https://youtu.be/uyjD28CO4zw
I do not even see mention of it here: https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/media-hub/media/apex-legends-season-4-assimilation-battle-pass-overview-trailer-gb
@hayhor wrote:
the flatline even has the crappy 1x2.Hush your mouth!! 1x2 is by far my favorite sight on ARs.
EDIT Remember the Airdrop Escalation LTM? The one where they gave you a 1x2 on everything including shoguns?? Oh man Respawn loves that sight.
- @pandareno1999 That sight is way underrated, it's great! Best sight by far aside from the red dot 1x.
- @pandareno1999 Your friend needs to study your sights impact on your game. 🤣
It looks like quite a number of sights have been changed today. Spitfire and Hemlok now have larger circles. The older PTW Wingman skin (not the craftable ones) has been nerfed a bit.Lone Star irons have been nerfed. Just a couple i can think of off the top of my head. I need to see some side-by-sides to be sure.
My bud is still upset about the Flatline changing, but having seen it we both agree that the change is not that bad.
I'm going to spend some quality time in the galleries and the range to see what else may have changed, I was too busy playing the morning to do much. I expect that Mokey and others like TGM will soon release videos showing side-by-sides for everything.
EDIT To my eye it looks like the risers on Death Ray etc. are taller than they were before. I'm not feeling super sure on this one, but it appears different to my eye without the benefit of a side-by-side comparison.
- @pandareno1999 Why are those skins/weapons not mentioned in the iron sight balancing blog post?
Been testing the iron sights. It might be my head playing games but I kinda feel like there are changes to a lot of them. Gave and I'll just wait for Mokey's video. LOL.
I definitely like the new healing animations though. There are more movements and detail to the animation compared to before.
- @Cheese9Man I think we're just nuts, because I have not seen a word spoken about this anywhere (note: I do not look at twitter or most other social media, so I could be missing seeing commentary).
- @pandareno1999 I think you're both nuts for testing all this for free instead of actually playing 🤣
@hayhor Take a close look at the hemlok and spitfire irons when you get a chance. I really did think their circles look wider than before.
- @pandareno1999 Will do. I only played gun run tonight and it has sights on every gun. Never a 1x2 either 😉
@hayhor In case you didn't notice, you cannot remove sights in gun run. It drove my friend, who hates the Bruiser, crazy. The devs finally figured out that most everyone prefers the Bruiser over the 1x2 a few seasons ago.
- @pandareno1999 Yeah I noticed that. I think you should be able to remove them.
@hayhor It makes sense so that the long range weapons are difficult to use. Marksmen and snipers would be so much easier if you can take off the sights in this mode. I was still quickscoping with the TT but it's kinda hard with the 3X.
