Goodbye, apex

I admire your optimism. I don't share it. Human nature has a stubborn streak of "what can I get away with," and when you couple that to the anonymity of the internet... well, we can all see the results. And not just here. It's everywhere.

As for a renaissance of good parenting... I wouldn't hold your breath there either. I was talking about that just the other day with my own mother - 86 and still going. She was decrying the same thing we are: toddlers being raised by devices. I had to remind her that this is the same as it ever was. Her generation plopped down their kids in front of a TV and got on with their lives. My generation substituted VHS for live broadcast in a bid for slightly longer periods of time kid-free. Now it's the internet. Next it will probably be AI companions which, if recent history is anything to judge by, will raise an entire generation of narcissists, white supremacists, and people who, if they even make it to adulthood, will still have the emotional quotient of a five year old child. Now THAT is a future to weep for.

Any way you slice it I can't see a very bright future for multiplayer gaming. Singleplayer pve is the future? It certainly would seem like a better fit for generations of the self-absorbed, anti-social, and internet-crippled.

cannot agree more

Maybe one day... a generation will emerge like previous and will revert teachings back to a time where one was taught to feel shame for cheating, and to be proud to work hard and earn skills the fair way. Maybe new parents will actually parent their children instead of buying there 3 year old a cell phone and letting that raise them? 

One can only hope. Maybe one day then... competitive gaming will start to improve. 

Yes, I'm holding my breath lol. 

Could not agree more. I'm always astounded at how pc mnk players are so quick to demonize controller aim assist when their platform is a sewer of actual cheating. Why would any pc player who got killed in a 0.4 second one-clip assume that it was because of aim assist and not aim bot?

And your prognosis about the imminent death of competitive multiplayer gaming is also on target. How can any multiplayer game survive without becoming a circus if it has to rely on player integrity in order to purport to have game integrity?

I agree... I also feel the real culprit here isn't controllers on PC... rather cheat devices, scripts et cetera. That beyond human ability you are talking about is not the built in aim assist which needs to be there for  a roller that is spring loaded. Again the beyond human ability you are seeing is more than not - cheaters/hackers. There is just too many of them now. The new generations and their lack of integrity, and shame have shifted the entire gaming industry into something that is doomed as time goes on. 

Eventually the competitive scene will die off... we need more focus on PVE and campaign games now. Cheating and hacking is just taken over. 

So us pc controller players still need to be punished even more?!!!! We took the tap strafe nerfs, we took the aim assist nerfs, and now we need more!!?!? I respect MnK players alot but this nonsense about you losing because controller aim assist melting you is clear copium...

Apex hasnt ever been full MnK only even before crossplay and hopefully it stays that way for the longevity of its lifespan. You MnK players need to stop relying on run and gun strats and learn more mechanics such as tapstrafes, wallbouncing, neo-strafes, etc... Movement is you way to outmaneuver controller players and im saying this as someone who does "let the game aim for them". Many gunfights I have entered on controller that i have lost has been to an MnK player simply tapstrafing until my clip runs out of ammo while they kill me with their mastiff flicks(another MnK advantage...). Honestly, im unsure how much aim assist console has when playing on pc but as far as I know they still have 0.6 aa so your issue would be them, not the pc players playing on half that...

I know some of you MnK players would prefer controllers to have 0 aim assist but as someone with decades atp playing on controller semi-competitively and a few years playing MnK I know thats never gonna happen due to controller not really being as good a device to aim with comparitively... (compare #1 controller player's aim with #1 the MnK player's...)

All it would take would be to add an option in the settings to disable cross-play and have MnK only play with MnK. But that's so hard... right? :) I'm so tired of playing against Horizon on a controller. It's so unplayable... The controller ruined this game because there's nothing a MnK player can do to avoid playing with these devices. We were forced to do so.