I use both mouse and controller.There is almost no horizontal recoil and drift when using a mouse vs controller.The controller has a deadzone so the horizontal recoil drifts uncontrolled freely within that deadzone. You need a deadzone on the stick or else you have stick drift. The slowdown (aim assist) doesn't help with this, it makes it worse, because it slows down input so technically the deadzone becomes larger or more sluggish.On a mouse you have almost no horizontal recoil because the mouse doesn't need a deadzone so your input is constantly keeping the sight in check whenever you slightly move the mouse.Then on top of that Respawn may balance the game additionally in favor of mouse input by having the weapons with highest damage have the worst recoil."Competitions"Because of this difference, tournaments and competitions in Apex Legends can't be considered as a competition. It can be considered as entertainment, but not a competition.It's as if Nadal showed up agains Federer with a table tennis racket. It would be entertainment, but not a competition.I know Electronic Arts wants to promote their games as a sport, but as long as there is crossplay its not a true sport. The terms are different. Its only entertainment and thats ok.

@hayhor What are you talking about? It’s completely balanced.

@Ingeniekey @hayhor @Cheese9Manbut we have AIM ASSIST 🙂

@Ingeniekey You didn't even mention jitter recoil control mnk players use which completely negates recoil. It's why mnk players can use a flatline with a 4x from miles away.

@Cheese9ManI know about this and because it's fairly easy to pull off, it can be considered in line with scripts that cancel out recoil on controllers. It's basically what he is doing in the video, he is making a large number of inputs by wiggling the mouse side to side so that on average it cancel out the horizontal recoil all together.So the mouse have so much control that it can simulate what on controller must be achieved with a cheat.I often see streamners downtalk controller players as if its a superior input device over mouse almost on par with cheating, but I have always thought that this is a defence because mouse is superior and being beaten by a subpar input device is embarassing to them in front of their fans.

@Cheese9Man i sort of want to learn jitter aiming but doing it is basically a taking a road towards carpel tunnel syndrome. not worth it for me.

Horizontal Recoil on Mouse vs Controller

16 Replies

hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Ingeniekey You didn't even mention jitter recoil control mnk players use which completely negates recoil. It's why mnk players can use a flatline with a 4x from miles away.
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
@hayhor What are you talking about? It’s completely balanced.
Ingeniekey
4 years ago
@Cheese9ManI know about this and because it's fairly easy to pull off, it can be considered in line with scripts that cancel out recoil on controllers. It's basically what he is doing in the video, he is making a large number of inputs by wiggling the mouse side to side so that on average it cancel out the horizontal recoil all together.
So the mouse have so much control that it can simulate what on controller must be achieved with a cheat.
I often see streamners downtalk controller players as if its a superior input device over mouse almost on par with cheating, but I have always thought that this is a defence because mouse is superior and being beaten by a subpar input device is embarassing to them in front of their fans.
Sand_spitter
4 years ago
@Ingeniekey Some (Aceu) would go so far as to not even consider battle royale as a sport, which I actually agree with - too many variables.

Try this - 2600 dpi with 0.5 in game sens. It's not even fair, you'll be shooting beams with an r9. Recoil control is a dream vs controller. Same edpi as Lululuvely give or take.
soccerking122
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man i sort of want to learn jitter aiming but doing it is basically a taking a road towards carpel tunnel syndrome. not worth it for me.
Ingeniekey
4 years ago
@Sand_spitterThese two are great streamers and they have great skill game wide, not just aiming. With a mouse you basically shoot only where you place your cursor, with controller you have all sorts of effects in play. The possibilities to ajust input sensitivity with a mouse, both in-game and with the mouse app is far superior as well.
Meanwhile with controller the input sensitivity is still maxed out at a fairly low sensitivity of 500.
The general movement is slowed down by how fast one can turn (yaw speed), so this alone affects the movement of the character as well. So its not only aiming, movement is limited as well.
Sand_spitter
4 years ago
@Ingeniekey Exactly, I play with custom settings and my yaw speed is maxed out, still feels slow because you gotta be careful of overshooting targets.
Sand_spitter
4 years ago
@soccerking122 Not worth it imo, it works but it's not really needed. Also works better if standing still so yeah.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Sand_spitter The issue with the BR has too many variable to be competitive is there are still dominant teams. If a BR was really about luck, you would have a tsm or nrg that usually are top 3 when they play an event.
Sand_spitter
4 years ago
@hayhor Sure, but let's say everyone shoots the same gun with the same armour / hp would it still be the same outcome? That's equal. And rng is not.

And how do you measure unequal rng? You get lucky or you don't. It can happen 2 times in a row or 100 in theory. Something as little as the drop, gun, extended mag, or armour could decide everything.

It might mean they are better teams when they constantly win yes, but it's also a weird setting to begin with in any competitive event, meaning that things should always be equal in any competition to avoid the team winning early on with the best loot. Why should a 100m runner be given a head start or run on a different / better track in the same race?

Skill + best loot > Skill + bad loot in any 1v1 usually.