Going to go ahead and close off this thread.
If you wish to discuss what other games are doing then you can do so on those games' dedicated forum boards.
At this point, this thread is going around in circles.
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So you’re saying apex isn’t a success for EA/Respawn? Apex will never be a true competitive title not because of aim assist but because it’s a BR. Sorry I have to disagree with your multiple aim assist threads.
No, Apex Legends is a good business venture for EA being very successful, but no it's not a real competitive video game title. It has competitive elements, but it's still based around RNG, Legends of different stature and/ or so varying randomness that it would be quite hard to predict the outcome.
A competitive title in my opinion wouldn't be about randomness, but about known paths and/ or elements that one must learn and continue to get better at. Two teams of equal skill and/ or practice competing against one another.
Apex Legends doesn't do that, it's more based on who can wait the longest and shoot the last person/s. In my opinion, a true competitive title wouldn't have that as the core gameplay, but would be more like team A vs team B or so on.
DOTA 2, LOL, CS: GO, Valorant, Tom Clancy's Siege, Overwatch (does have different size heros, but not random). It's like the same thing with PUBG, it can't ever be competitive because it's based on RNG. How can anyone be competitive on something that is randomly generated?
Respawn tried to do competitive Apex legends, it's called Arenas.
Valorant became popular because most mouse & keyboard players knew it wouldn't cater to the aim assist community, so they invested their time into it. Streamers suggested changing aim assist to Respawn, but they wouldn't listen, here we are. Streamers now don't even talk about it because they get blasted if they talk negatively about aim assist, so they slowly move towards different titles, including Valorant.
My own beliefs on what I don't consider competitive.
1) Aim assistance
2) Low tick rate servers
3) RNG (Random Number Generator)
@Popa2caps Honestly, I don't think apex was ever intended to be truly competitive.
The more cynical side of me wants to just call it an elaborate lootbox cash grab scheme maintained at a high enough quality to keep consumers invested in the game (with both time and money).
Alas, that's just my view on the whole thing lol, by no means does it mean I'm correct. 😛
I agree with everything that you said that just the nature of apex being BR and the RNG dictating a lot of things on what will happen except for the aim assist argument.
Can you name teams in the ALGS that quit just because of aim assist? If aim assist is that strong why isn’t every player in the league use a controller? Of course you’ll have to use everything into your advantage to win that huge prize pool money.
“Streamers now don't even talk about it because they get blasted if they talk negatively about aim assist, so they slowly move towards different titles, including Valorant.” Hal and PVPx complaining about aim assist seems to be still doing well even after bashing controller players. So as the other apex streamers.
Oh, good, this poor dead horse again.
Maybe someday they'll bury the poor thing instead of beating it...
@Cheese9ManGreat players aren't leaving apex due to aim assist. You and I know that. If anything more and more orgs are signing teams and comp is growing and growing. Complaining about aim assist is a crutch people cling to so they can blame their death on something.
I can't believe pubg is even being used in comparison......
@Cheese9Man wrote:Can you name teams in the ALGS that quit just because of aim assist?
1) No, I can't and/ or haven't heard of anyone that has quit ALGS because of aim assist. It's my opinion that once someone is already established into the ALGS, why leave something that's profitable. They make money, why give that up? I do however believe that some mouse & keyboard players left Apex Legends directly because of aim assist.
@Cheese9Man wrote:If aim assist is that strong why isn’t every player in the league use a controller? Of course you’ll have to use everything into your advantage to win that huge prize pool money.
2) In league I'm guessing you mean ALGS, If so, Well some are already proficient with mouse & keyboard, the issue with aim assist in my mind is the people learning the device for the first time while getting aim assisted by controllers. Again, I don't think the two devices shouldn't be competing against one another while one has aim assist.
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