Low profile legends now take way too much damage making them frustrating to play, I don't even know how to respond to this RIDONKULUS change.Buff weak legends (octane, mirage, crypto) instead of bashing low profile legends.Any opinions?Cheers

Finally, a meaningful change to combat the overwhelming usage of Wraith and Pathfinder. My concern isn't that the nerf is "too much" but rather not enough. Good players tend to shoot at the center/neck/chest area, so indirectly increasing damage to limbs isn't exactly major. However, any change to rid this community of the scourge of Wraith and Pathfinder dominance is welcome. It doesn't surprise me that people are sounding off about a nerf directed at low profile: the amount of Wraith, Pathfinder, and Wattson mains (combined) totally dwarfs the other characters. You may not "like" the change, but anyone who put the health and balance of the game before personal preference will realize that nerfing Wraith and Pathfinder is absolutely essential. And what better way to do so than to hit a trait they both share - equally. As for Lifeline, she got a significant buff to offset the nerf (which was totally justified on her too: she's too hard to connect with). And Wattson? Don't get me started about her hitbox. This change was a step in the right direction for her.

@LordloshBangI appreciate your responses.I’m still curious though— if you could, right now, nerf Path and Wraith even further, would you? And what would those nerfs be exactly?

@Abyssloli I never thought much about wraith hitbox. But latly its getting excessive you cant win a hipfire fight and if you ads you cant move erratic enought to mittigate her hipfire. So i can dig her taking more dmg, especially sins she can just become immune if she is losing..

Said this in another thread about Wattson, but it applies to more than her.Low profile is a stupid, stupid way to address problems. It doesn't solve what's wrong with the hero. Wattson was never chosen a lot because she actually takes thinking and learning to use. Some teamwork as well. But let's say you go with that she was somehow OP...she was OP because she could fence? Her ultimate? Low profile doesn't stop her from using either.So you can see what happened, Wattson was used even less by people who didn't want to bother with her, and is not used any less by people who do. It was a crutch nerf, a bad one at that. It's more of a pain and an insult to people trying to learn how to use her, than stopping anyone who does. Dumb.Look at Wraith, who happens to be a low profile character. She's still used a lot at top tiers, but she's used somewhat less at low tiers, definitely not an auto include for average players. What stopped that? nerfing the problem with her, which was too much Into The Void. She's far from useless now, but the nerf fixed what the problem was with her. Low profile should be saved for characters it makes sense for...you know...characters who are Small with a Low Profile. Not as a crutch nerf.

I think that the increased damage to arms and legs on low profile characters is a step in the right direction. They're already the hardest characters to hit; but doing full, normal damage to them required a degree of accuracy that simply wasn't in balance when non-low profile characters were being compared. Now, landing a shot on low profile character will not be randomly penalized because your accuracy wasn't aimbot-level. Hitting a low profile character in general was an increased challenge - thus the existence of low profile. But landing a hit on a moving LP character would often result in reduced (not increased) damage due to arm/legs taking up a greater-than-average percentage the hitbox. This is above and beyond the reduced hitbox size. Just compare the AoE of Gibby/Caustics chest compared to the size of Wraith or Lifeline. Their core is bigger proportionally.

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chrisragnar
6 years ago
@Abyssloli I never thought much about wraith hitbox. But latly its getting excessive you cant win a hipfire fight and if you ads you cant move erratic enought to mittigate her hipfire. So i can dig her taking more dmg, especially sins she can just become immune if she is losing..
Abyssloli
6 years ago
@chrisragnar Wraith has always been the top legend with the smallest hitbox so her taking more damage might be acceptable, but it doesn't feel right on any other legend Imho.
BigBlackCaustic
6 years ago
@AbyssloliOn Pathfinder and Wattson its undrstandable, Pathfinder has a quick recharging grapple to disengage and weird arm hitboxes that are so in front of his torso that hitting them for reduced damage would defeat the purpose of the Low Profile nerf.

Wattson didnt change much, she has a smaller hitbox, faster and wonkier animations and a huge, glowing and distracting device on her which obscure her a bit, not to mention she has placablr cover, shield recharge and is harder to reach because of the fences.

Lifeline is the only low profile Legend who suffers from it with little means to mitigate it. Sucks to be her.
Abyssloli
6 years ago
@BigBlackCaustic They nerfed his grapple a while ago, Pathfinder can't just swoosh out of any situation anymore especially at higher ranks where standing still for 1 second gets u killed.

As for Wattson, her hitbox/shape never bothered me, she was average in a 1v1 situation but now she's so much easier to kill if you catch her in the open.
heme725
6 years ago
@Abyssloli I don't know why she's low profile but if she's average in a 1v1 that puts her on par with Mirage and Bloodhound in a fight right? Plus she has abilities that are more suited to defense anyway so I can't have any strong feelings about it.
Abyssloli
6 years ago
@heme725 Wattson WAS average but now she's at a massive disadvantage because of that insane low profile nerf.
S8N_Spawn
6 years ago
@AbyssloliPros and * (<-- you can't say c.o.n.s.?) of picking legends, except, some have no * (<-- you can't say c.o.n.s.?). It kind of makes sense for Wattson since to optimize her kit, your playstyle should be to avoid large open areas as much as possible (understanding you'll need to at some point, but try not to fight in them).

There's a reason why you'll see Wraith's running around anywhere creating portals to get her and her squadmates out of bad situations, because she's that much harder to hit than a running Wattson in the same situation. But likewise, you'll have a harder time trying to push a properly set up Wattson inside a building/small closed area.
Abyssloli
6 years ago
@S8N_SpawnI get your point, every legend has its pros and c0ns, some have more pros than c0ns and vice versa.

Wattson however was not OP, she was slightly above average at best, this nerf now makes her not worth playing anymore.
C0NS IN AN INSULT IN FRENCH NOW I UNDERSTAND
SpaceHamster199
6 years ago
@Abyssloli Wattson is arguably the fourth best character in the game. She is quite good. This nerf probably mitigates crouch spamming effectiveness on low profiles, as well as help mid and big bodies punish the top tiers more effectively, though it really hurts Lifeline and Wattson more (as usual) due to their lack of disengage.
Abyssloli
6 years ago
@SpaceHamster1991 Ok even if she is the fourth best legend in the game that nerf seems over the top.

Crouch spamming is a skill (not a difficult one but still a skill), by making it less effective you basically lower the game's skill ceiling and that is NEVER a good thing.

In my original post I tried to point out that it would feel so much better if Respawn decided to fix the balance by buffing trash legends instead of nerfing the better ones.
Mirage and Octane mains get to be happy cause they can finally do something, and Wraith/Lifeline/Pathfinder/Wattson mains don't feel like they get sh*t on every patch.
Look what they did to bloodhound to bring him back in the game, now they need to do the same to the other ones. But that would require more effort than just updating low profile legends :D