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Rising Rookie

26 days ago

MMR in ranked

My understanding is that mmr affects match making in ranked but not the final rank points earned or lost in a game. I feel I often perform better than I usually do but then ranked points subtracted b...

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Twoheart1

Rising Rookie

26 days ago

Wanted to add that Apex shouldn’t force or reward one playstyle over another. When they reward points for ressing teammates, then teams have an advantage over solo Q whose teammates are kamikazee commandos who run off and die all the time. Participation points are ridiculous too for the same reason. Besides I often get no such points though I fought with teammates or died trying to save them.

reconzero

Seasoned Ace

26 days ago

"Apex shouldn’t force or reward one playstyle over another."

Agreed. But solo queueing is not what I would call a playstyle. If you want to work the system to get the most points possible then you really have to work with a set squad as much as possible. If you don't then you have to make your peace with the fact that you're going to leave some cash on the table. So to speak.

"My understanding is that mmr affects match making in ranked but not the final rank points earned or lost in a game."

Yes and no. They may not be directly related, but there is a self-reinforcing synergy between the two. At any rate, there are a million little discrepancies and contradictions in the way the game measures your skill, the ways it uses those measurements to match you, and the ways it chooses to reward or punish you in the context of a ranked match. If you're looking for it to be one single cohesive and comprehensible whole, then you look in vain.

If you're really determined to take the rank grind that seriously then forget about your mmr and play ranked matches strictly by what is being rewarded in the particular season at hand. If you're concerned that those behaviors will artificially inflate or deflate your mmr and hence affect the quality of your matchmaking... well, let's just say the quality of matchmaking in this game is so atrocious that it won't matter either way whether the game thinks you're better than you are or worse than you are. Your matches will always be imbalanced, and playing in ranked, where matchmaking should in theory be very tight, is in reality no different than any two-bucket pubs match. So relax. Have a beer. Don't worry so much.

Twoheart1
Rising Rookie
26 days ago
Don’t worry? I’m not venting, I’m describing what I think is a flaw in ranked play. In my case, it’s enough to make me think there’s a structural limitation I can’t overcome, even when I feel like I’m playing well enough that I should be gaining points rather than losing them. This is feedback in case the designers care why ranked feels demoralizing — others may have different experiences. The core point: if I’m playing better in a match than usual, in a way that would normally raise my MMR, I shouldn’t be losing rank points for it.
- reconzero
  Seasoned Ace
  22 days ago
  You are absolutely right. What you've described is not inaccurate.
  I guess what I'm trying to say is that ranked modes in any game are littered with structural limitations that can't be overcome. (And I'm not talking about your natural skill ceiling, wherever that may be.) Some of these structural limitations are very hard to understand or even notice, and some are more obvious, but they're there. In some instances they're meant to drive behaviors... such as stacking. In many of those instances they drive other behaviors. Like boosting and cheating. The waters get very muddy very fast. And almost all of it is a deliberate design decision rather than an oversight. It's structured the way it is, it's done on purpose, to serve somebody somewhere who isn't me or you, and we're just here for the ride. That's why I'm trying to discourage people from putting too much stock in ranked play. By all means, grind away, but if you're expecting it to tell you something useful, or even something accurate, about yourself or your abilities, then you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment.