No mouse on console is unfair

Honeslty Im 100% for having mouse and keyboard on ps4 as a playable option that everyone can use, but also you claiming that people are using XIM is only a small handfull tbh. There are some people out there that are just really good with controller. I use controller and I always get spectators after I kill them. So try not to think that melting people with controller is impossible, because that's probably what XIM users believed before they spent 100$ in that garbage lol.

It's very very very obvious when people are using mouse when you spectate them.

For your information, im 27 years old so don't accuse me of thinking people use mouse, just because I got downed.

I don't know where you guys live and what servers you play, but I live in north west europe and play on the Amsterdam server, and past 10 PM half of all players or more, are mouse users.  

I'm playing with and against them, and it's unmistakable when you spectate.

1 per 1000 is a number you literally based on nothing at all.

Next to Xim, there are a ton of other options to play mouse on console, particularly on ps4.

No actualy figures exist as to how many mouse cheaters there are, but my observation is that it's 50% on my server past 10 PM (Amsterdam Server on EU)

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@Wingmannedbro wrote:

1 per 1000 is a number you literally based on nothing at all.

Next to Xim, there are a ton of other options to play mouse on console, particularly on ps4.

No actualy figures exist as to how many mouse cheaters there are, but my observation is that it's 50% on my server past 10 PM (Amsterdam Server on EU)

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Actual figures do exist, please check out the Xim forums. I'd post a direct link but it's against forums rules. Head there and search Apex Legends under General Discussions, OBiV (owner and developer) states the numbers in a couple different threads.

 

You're assuming every Xim owner in the world is ONLY playing Apex, which is incorrect.

 

Regardless of numbers, the Xim doesn't violate Sony and Xbox's ToS because it simply emulates and does not any additional control/recoil/sensitivity/stats. Xim, Xim4, Apex has been around for years and years and is not going anywhere. 

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@Paneross wrote:

 

You're assuming every Xim owner in the world is ONLY playing Apex, which is incorrect.

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I have yet to see any number on how the population is split between the consoles and PC, so one could argue that you are assuming every player plays on PS 4.

I find it strange that this is even a thing. Theres no way you don't get input lag and wonky * happening with this. Why not just get a pc at that point or are people that desperate to be a big fish in a small pond?

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@Wingmannedbro wrote:

1 per 1000 is a number you literally based on nothing at all.

Next to Xim, there are a ton of other options to play mouse on console, particularly on ps4.

No actualy figures exist as to how many mouse cheaters there are, but my observation is that it's 50% on my server past 10 PM (Amsterdam Server on EU)

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You are completely delusional if you really believe it's anywhere near 50 percent.  Do you realise what the value of a company like XIM would be if they had sold 50 percent as many 150-200 dollar adapters as Sony sold consoles? The owners would have sold by now, it would be a public company on the stock market, and it would be worth tens of millions of dollars.  Do you really think Sony and Microsoft are just ignoring a hugely booming peripherial market like that? Hell, Sony/Microsoft  dumped millions into that useless camera crap nobody ever bought. 

If it's 1000:1 they would be lucky.  The simple fact is the majority of console owners are A. Not people coming from PC (usually goes other way) B. Not people that want to play at a desk in a PC chair. 

Simply put, the majority of console players have started off with and learned controller play for better or worse.  There simply is not a huge calling for M&K. 

Taking a wild stab here, you were  coming from  Battlefield or COD when you started playing Apex?  And now you can't figure out why you went from winning 70+ percent of the time and being at the top of the board to getting whipped?

I had the same experience, and was honestly wondering for awhile about xim users myself.  But in short order I realised it was me, I needed to change my play style completely vs all the other FPS I have played. 

It's not them, it's you. 

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@Paneross wrote:

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@Wingmannedbro wrote:

1 per 1000 is a number you literally based on nothing at all.

Next to Xim, there are a ton of other options to play mouse on console, particularly on ps4.

No actualy figures exist as to how many mouse cheaters there are, but my observation is that it's 50% on my server past 10 PM (Amsterdam Server on EU)

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Actual figures do exist, please check out the Xim forums. I'd post a direct link but it's against forums rules. Head there and search Apex Legends under General Discussions, OBiV (owner and developer) states the numbers in a couple different threads.

 

You're assuming every Xim owner in the world is ONLY playing Apex, which is incorrect.

 

Regardless of numbers, the Xim doesn't violate Sony and Xbox's ToS because it simply emulates and does not any additional control/recoil/sensitivity/stats. Xim, Xim4, Apex has been around for years and years and is not going anywhere. 

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I don't often comment online, but when I do, I am always staggered how many boneheads respond.

Let's start with a few facts.

Next to Xim, there are multitudes upon multitudes of other options available to play mkb on games that do not support it.

There is no way of telling which exact games they play with them (tho it will generally be shooters) 

There is no way of telling, when exactly they play.

Ergo, some contrived number like 1 in a 1000 cannot possibly be a number based on actual measurements or facts.

If companies like Sony are not able to specify it, I strongly doubt you are.

Another thing, how on Earth do you make the conclusion I am assuming all mkb users on console only play apex?  It's absolutely mindblowing that you make such conclusions.

I know very well that Xim devices do not violate sony's ToS, then again, since you are a bonehead. You probably failed to observe I am not asking Sony to bann Xim owners here.

And since you are a bonehead. You probably need a reminder that I am asking the developers of this game, which is NOT SONY, to enable KbM support for this game.