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reconzero
3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@swift07
I agree that teamwork is a valuable skill - but I also believe that it's one of the hardest to practice for all the above noted reasons. Unless you play with the same people every day then there just isn't any significant return on investment for trying to be a good team player.
Improving skills is a brick wall. It's a law-of-diminishing-returns thing. There is only so much improvement that a player can reasonably expect given so many different limiting factors - time and fundamental mechanical skills being only the two biggest. And I also discovered long ago that improving at a game with skill-based matchmaking does not yield the kind of results that I want to experience as I get better at the game. If I can be average to slightly below average and have a 10% win rate then I'll take that over slightly above average with grindy, miserable matches that get me low platinum and 3% win rate. I just don't care how good I am compared to everyone else. I care that, given the constraints of sbmm, I can fool the lobby into winning more than the statistical average of 5%. And that's not even getting into the issues that arise when you make the investment in improving but are convinced, as so many forum-goers are, that the game conspires to screw you, that cheaters conspire to screw you, that anti-recoil is real, that aimbots are real, that strike packs and Cronus Zens are around every corner. It's just one headache after another that adds to the grind without adding to the fun. Oh, and do we even want to have the discussion of the role that luck plays in this game? Spoiler: it's big.
"When you die in pubs, you don't lose points like ranked. You just die and you can start a new game."
Pretty sure you can start a new game in ranked too, whether you lost points or gained them. Now if you're going to try to convince me that losing points in ranked is bad or matters or makes you less manly or some other ego-driven insanity then by all means type away. I promise I'll read every word.
I agree that teamwork is a valuable skill - but I also believe that it's one of the hardest to practice for all the above noted reasons. Unless you play with the same people every day then there just isn't any significant return on investment for trying to be a good team player.
Improving skills is a brick wall. It's a law-of-diminishing-returns thing. There is only so much improvement that a player can reasonably expect given so many different limiting factors - time and fundamental mechanical skills being only the two biggest. And I also discovered long ago that improving at a game with skill-based matchmaking does not yield the kind of results that I want to experience as I get better at the game. If I can be average to slightly below average and have a 10% win rate then I'll take that over slightly above average with grindy, miserable matches that get me low platinum and 3% win rate. I just don't care how good I am compared to everyone else. I care that, given the constraints of sbmm, I can fool the lobby into winning more than the statistical average of 5%. And that's not even getting into the issues that arise when you make the investment in improving but are convinced, as so many forum-goers are, that the game conspires to screw you, that cheaters conspire to screw you, that anti-recoil is real, that aimbots are real, that strike packs and Cronus Zens are around every corner. It's just one headache after another that adds to the grind without adding to the fun. Oh, and do we even want to have the discussion of the role that luck plays in this game? Spoiler: it's big.
"When you die in pubs, you don't lose points like ranked. You just die and you can start a new game."
Pretty sure you can start a new game in ranked too, whether you lost points or gained them. Now if you're going to try to convince me that losing points in ranked is bad or matters or makes you less manly or some other ego-driven insanity then by all means type away. I promise I'll read every word.
3 years ago
@reconzero well, it seems like you play a decent amount of solo q matches. If you want to work on your personal skills and be ready for whatever happens, then you have to get into the fire. Running away and repositioning, or landing somewhere else, instead of trying to work together or help your teammates, will leave you by yourself majority of the time. Playing as a team with randoms, makes you more versatile in different scenarios.
If MM, cheaters, and RNG bother you that much, how do you continue playing this game?
"When you die in pubs, you don't lose points like ranked. You just die and you can start a new game." Do you not understand why I said this? People do care about RP in ranked, otherwise, what's the point of playing? It's one of things people tie to progression, which is what we strive to do while playing games.
If MM, cheaters, and RNG bother you that much, how do you continue playing this game?
"When you die in pubs, you don't lose points like ranked. You just die and you can start a new game." Do you not understand why I said this? People do care about RP in ranked, otherwise, what's the point of playing? It's one of things people tie to progression, which is what we strive to do while playing games.
- reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@swift07
"If MM, cheaters, and RNG bother you that much, how do you continue playing this game?"
I didn't say they bother me. I said that they would bother me if I was the kind of player who believed in "striving" for rank or was the kind of player who put any stock in what it is ranking systems purport to tell you about yourself.
"Do you not understand why I said this? People do care about RP in ranked, otherwise, what's the point of playing? It's one of things people tie to progression, which is what we strive to do while playing games."
Yes, I understand that this is a thing. No, I don't understand WHY it is a thing. It isn't what I'm trying to do when I play the game, and from what I've experienced over the years in this game and a few others, it's more a source of existential anxiety than a source of entertainment. Which is, last time I checked, what a game is supposed to provide. I know that different people are entertained by different aspects of the game, but I sometimes get the impression that RP and rank chasing IS the game for many people. Like when I read things like: "People do care about RP in ranked, otherwise, what's the point of playing?" I can think of lots of other reasons for playing a game. Oh so many other reasons. In fact, for me rank ladders are purely a negative. They have no value for me personally, but beyond that I see people motivated by them to do things which seem unconstructive at times, and which they themselves often admit are not fun. So yes, I see that for some people ranks have value, but I'm surprised at how vigorously they will defend them in one breath and condemn them in the next. - 3 years ago@reconzero "People do care about RP in ranked, otherwise, what's the point of playing?" It's specifically talking about ranked, not other modes in the game. This was a reply to when you said you could die and just start another game in ranked.
A reminder, this conversation started when I said that people hot drop because there's nothing to lose in pubs. Meaning, they won't lose RP like ranked. I get that you have an opinion about why you don't like ranked but I'm telling you that's why people do it.
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