Perfect Teammate Match & Finding System
I have 1500+ hours of game time. I usually go up to the Diamond level. But now I stopped playing. Because now whenever I want to play, my teammates given to me by the system are low level. While my t...
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@heme725 Yeah but how do you judge playstyle? And how does that work with opponents? All the campers end up in the same lobby? So no one fights until forced to?
The easiest way to ensure your teammates are on a similar page is use a microphone and if you click with someone ask them to play more. Even then, when you have 3 friends together one will likely make a play the others aren't with. I've experienced this many times.
The easiest way to ensure your teammates are on a similar page is use a microphone and if you click with someone ask them to play more. Even then, when you have 3 friends together one will likely make a play the others aren't with. I've experienced this many times.
@hayhor I disagree with what you said to heme725. If the person you're talking to is a bad player, they can't get better aim or use a better keyboard because you want them to play more.
I think you should explain your own thoughts in more detail before criticizing the ideas of others. How would you like it to be? if you're happy with the current SBMM, just say so.
You don't have to criticize ideas that don't agree with you or defend EA.
- @l_mRGogo in my opinion a fair SBMM would be something that takes into account:
1) current rank and no matter what each server should be filled first with same rank people before any other logic kicks in t.i. whether Diamonds join Masters/Preds or Platinum.
2) depending on the lobby server/game should set a benchmark e.g. is this going to be D4 level average lobby or D2 etc. *set parties should be given extra "boost" as it is now to view them above average t.i. set 3 D4 player squad should not be viewed by the server as 3 random player D4 squad, latter should have an easier lobby preferably.
3) within the same rank (average set above by the server) people should be compared by the last X (say 10-20) game average RP = they are either good shooters or good playing for placement but either way, get the job done equally well.
4) based on the above teams should be compiled.
Also, SBMM should look for as similar players as possible not e.g. create "D3" level team from 1 D4 person 1 P4 and 1 10k+ Master, instead, it should be at most a mix from D4-1 player team.
Finally, if there is a shortage of players I would say top ones should suffer (I hear Respawn did the exact opposite change a few seasons ago allowing Preds and Masters to go into Diamond lobbies if they do not have enough people).
Shortage on top level should be sorted in some other way or just left as it was = Preds/masters waiting for a game for 20 min, given that's what it takes to be TOP 750...deal with it, own your crown, suck it up and carry the burden 🙂 Also who knows if the top would stay the same if lower-ranked players would be given a fighting chance instead of being constantly owned by higher-ranked set parties - let's face it none of the Pred (except hackers) play solo-queue and most Masters also have set team(s) and they might hold back a perspective Diamond player from ranking up just by that fact that they get easy escape way due to "lack of players" and get "fed" Diamonds who play with randoms, increasing RP gap more and more. @EREGDS
I agree with what you said. Good idea. (XP+)We are talking among ourselves. Now I think someone signed by EA should reply.
@EA_Mako
Can you give us information about this? Why is SBMM not working properly? Many users complain on this forum and on reddit, how can you help with this?
@l_mRGogo wrote:We are talking among ourselves. Now I think someone signed by EA should reply.
@EA_Mako
Can you give us information about this? Why is SBMM not working properly? Many users complain on this forum and on reddit, how can you help with this?Funny statement there, "Why is SBMM not working properly?". How do you know it is not working properly? none of us here on the forums know how it works and what all EA uses to calculate this.
We all have our own opinions about why we think the current MM is not that good. We all have our own ideas on how we would like to see MM work and or what goes into it.
I have to agree with @hayhor and his/her statement and what is thought to be part of the MM and how it should be based.
My thoughts are MMR should consist of the following factors.
1. Avg. KDR over last 100 games.
2. Avg. damage dealt last 100 games.
3. number of games won in the last 100 games.
4. number of top 5 games last 100 games.
5. Avg. placement last 100 games.
5. Highest rank in the current season.
6. Highest rank in the last season.
Premade squads would have to factor the averages of the stack and play vs other premades of like averages and then fill with other like randoms.
Would my above suggestion work? probably not as there is probably much more than I suggested that needs to go into MM.
I may not fully understand or like the way the current SBMM works but I can not say it is not working properly.
Have a great day.
I mean why doesn't it work? I actually tried to explain in my first post. Let me explain it again or better ask.
I have 1500+ playing time. I've been reaching diamond rank for the last 4 seasons. (BR and Arena). On average, I do 2K or 3K damage in a BR game. In the arena, this value is 3K or 4K.
Due to the country I live in, the average access time is 60ms-80ms. (I could be better)
Right now, whenever I enter the game (I am currently in diamond rank.), the teammates that the game automatically assigns to me are silver rank players or gold rank players. The enemies that the game automatically assigns to me are usually 500 level and diamond or platinum rank. The problem isn't just rank. It's okay if my auto-assigned teammates are low rank. The main problem is that my teammates can't really play the game. some can't choose weapons. some don't know the map. some of them can't hit the enemies in front of them. Automatically the game gives me such teammates. Enemies are really good. Playing 1 vs 3, we win if I can kill the opposing team. Otherwise, I'm losing again. I'm starting to feel like a babysitter.
Do you think this is normal? If you were faced with such a situation, would you say SBMM is working?you do understand that Diamond and above players make up only about 2.5% of the player base. Good for you that means you are very good at this game and better than 97.5% of anybody you will play against or with.
I agree that the further up the ladder you go or the better you are that MM can be problematic. Would the alternative be to have Diamond only lobbies? I think not as your wait time to play a game would be frustratingly long. Could the SBMM be made better I really could not answer that question as I really do not know how it works.
Wishing you the best luck in the outlands.
You will probably have to play with lower skilled players as well there are not to many at your skill level or higher.
Thank you for your good intentions.
This problem is not just for me or only for diamond rank. Many people on the forum have mentioned this issue. There's more on Reddit. If the system does not give me a suitable teammate while giving me a suitable opponent. I think there is an error somewhere. I'm trying to draw attention to this issue, I would be glad if you support it.
@Asmodeus566I know as much as you can't play with Silver or actually below platinum players at least in BR mode as soon as you hit Diamond (the only thing that makes me do it as I rather play vs Pred/Masters than with Silvers and Gold).
Also, your argument about 2.5% should not be valid if the provided stats by the official sources are correct (I have a feeling that someone is boosting their yearly results to gain profits) - 100 million of players 2.5% = 2.5 million, evenly distributed around the world's 24 timezones and Apex's 48 servers that still leaves = 2.5 mil / (24*48) = ~2000 players pers timezone per server. Go deeper into daily routines and say 1/3 plays during the day / midday evening / night and you still should get 500-600 active players = 10 full lobbies at any time any place basically. Clearly that is not the case so something be it stats or SBMM is incorrect here 🙂
Also let's not forget that Platinum players are like ~20-30% of the player base so above mentioned numbers should be so much more boosted given that Diamonds should be able to get into Plat lobbies if there is a shortage of players.I would appreciate it if you could specify the URL of the official sources you mentioned.
I guess I didn't explain the main part of the question. Only my teammates are low level (low rank low K/D etc.). Not enemies. (my enemies are strong opponents that always suit me.)
This problem is not just for me. Many players are facing this issue.@Asmodeus566I was with you until you said punish premades. That's my single biggest grip with sbmm. It punishes squadding up badly. When I play with randoms I can deal with the new players I get on my team. But when I'm with a friend and the lobbys become ridiculous it seems wrong. Now think about what happens when 3 people relatively low level join up on this game and they get fed to the preds, just because they wanted to play together on a team game. It is wrong.
I asked before, you didn't answer, I'm asking again.
@hayhor What things do you think should be taken into account? How would it be better? exactly how you would like it to be ? Don't be afraid to speak your mind. I would appreciate it if you could explain in more detail. (About SBMM)
I am not sure if the 2.5% is 100% accurate.
Nice stats breakdown based off of that number though. great job.
I absolutely have no problem with Diamond and above only lobbies or just Diamond only lobbies. I will never be that good and then I would never have to get lasered by them. The would not have to carry a predominantly Gold/Plat4 player.
You also have to consider in your math that not all players will be palying/queing up in the same game mode. Trios, Ranked BR, Duos, Arena and Ranked Arena. That would put you at about two full lobbies and well how many games start at the exact same time to fill you in one of those two lobbies. Wait time or fill with others it does not look like any other option.
I think you misunderstood me. I do not want premade teams punished.
Example 1 gold level 200 player and his two fairly new friends Level 30 Bronze and Level 100 Silver play a pubs game. The should be pitted against 3 stacks of roughly the same skill level and makeup when there are not stacks to fill the lobby then Randoms of roughly the same skill level fill up the rest of the lobby. They should never have to run into three stacks of Platinum or above like skilled players.
- @Asmodeus566 Yes I did misunderstand. What you say is fair. I do worry matchmaking would take forever to get there tho.
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@Asmodeus566Yes I did misunderstand. What you say is fair. I do worry matchmaking would take forever to get there tho.I agree with that and I think that is why we will get a Diamond level player/s or above in some lobbies and why Diamonds or above that solo que get lower ranked players assigned to them as an attempt to balance out the game. If we want to play with the same skilled players, people are going to have to find friends or acquittances to do that with. If they want to play against same skilled then they will have to play ranked or hope for the best as they make up a very small percentage of the player base.
Maybe you can speed up this process a little bit if you say the issues you complain about more loudly and clearly in this forum.
you said. "I would actually like to see no sbmm at all. Totally random. If it has to be there, it would have to take all of the things I have mentioned into account."
Things you mentioned: "It has been obvious to me that highest ranked level has some effect on matchmaking. Speed of match making, premade team, kd, ranked level, recent performance all have an impact"
I would be happy to support you if you open a topic by bringing together the parts you mentioned one day.- @hayhor in my opinion that is a temporary issue and Preds that want to get back to Pred will slice through lobbies very fast - day(s) max weeks.
Also, inactive Preds probably is a lesser issue than smurfing Preds/Masters and everybody else who are still getting into lower rank lobbies.
Every system will have flaws and will not EVERYONE happy 🙂 plus will be exploited one way or another. Thus my opinion of current rank satisfying most of us 🙂 First of all, thanks. I tried what you wrote.
Sorry, I searched but couldn't find any official source.
- @Asmodeus566 sure thing, there are so many factor but Respawn should have all that data and share it (at least part) with us to answer such guesstimates.
Other than that I have no objections waiting for server to start or players to join - even in discord groups I now wait for ~5-10 min to get a set squad + 1-2 min till server starts when we are in the party, fine by me.
If I would be a Pred and had a squad (most probably earlier than 5-10 min as they all do as long as they plan to play ranked) I would be ok to wait for ~ same time as now in Diamond to get into server due to lack of players or just not play at all.
Basically, that was my point that Respwan either is lying about player base or tailoring SBMM towards Pred (and Masters) who cry about waiting time and to solve that "feed" Diamond or even Platinum players into their lobbies. @l_mRGogo https://twitter.com/PlayApex?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1382378457808699396%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dexerto.com%2Fapex-legends%2Fapex-legends-player-count-1525295%2F https://steamcharts.com/app/1172470#All
these two sources popped out to me as something close to or the official source, there might be more.
- @l_mRGogo There is quite a easy solution and fix for this concern. Play with friends. If you are in ranked and you are not playing with a pre made then you get what comes to you in terms of good or bad teammates. To avoid bad teammates you simply play with 2 others. The game is now going on 3 years old there just is no way people in this time frame have not made friends with people to play with.
I often see people blame their randoms for stuff when in reality they put themselves in that situation to start with by solo queueing then want to blame the game. Easy ways to avoid it are ignored. Ranked is the most important game mode in the game when it comes to team gameplay coordination and strategies. So going in solo you will not have a great experience that will ever meet your expectations. - @EREGDS Inactive players issue is as bad as smurfing I reckon, even tho inactive players rank up quickly it still would be disheartening for actual lower ranked players and goes against the motto of 'fight against similarly skilled opponents'.
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