Rank RP is Toxic
Plain and simple rank needs to be revamped at least in platinum plus expecting people to constantly win points wise and come out positive is just a terrible experience for majority of players. And af...
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I hate the steep jump in difficulty comparing Gold lobbies to Plat lobbies. The game just changes in plat rather than a gradual increase in difficulty. I'm all in for rank points changes.
- @Cheese9Man Yeah im mainly just trying give ideas on how to fix it was frustrated making post so it could've been more quality but yeah something need be done hope they listen to community with new changes coming. I know they are but im hoping they implement some these things. I remember assist didn't exist back then for a while and I never played rank til it came because how toxic teammates would be for kills....I ran into a lot of duos whod let me fight 1v3 to come in and clean up for kills lmao still happens now with assist cause you can run out of time to earn that assist.
@MabusHades @Cheese9Man @AEUHX @dSKyNafinchin From a previous post of mine.
Well I know this might be long. I am not the best Apex player nor the worst and I have good and bad days and I have slowly come to the conclusion and really think ranked for both BR and Arenas needs to be updated/fixed. I have been playing since season 1.
Please do not take the below suggestions to literally they are a starting discussion point only and keep in mind "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one"
The concept of the game in BR ranked is team play whether you are playing with friends or solo jumping with randoms. I get the concept of the current ranked points system and feel that it is decent however team play is not rewarded at its fullest. so here are a couple of serious suggestions for making a decent system possibly better.
1, Remove the placement multiplier for kills.
2. Keep placement RP award as is.
3. Award 15 RP for each kill.
4. Award 8 RP for each assist .
5. Award 5 RP for each revive.
6. Award 10 RP for each re-spawn.
7. RP for kills and assists capped at 75 RP per game.
8. RP for revive or re-spawn capped at 45 RP per game.
9. keep the ranked entry cost the same or make them slightly more expensive seeing as points could now be gained for revive/re-spawning also.
10. Remove rank protection.
I also seriously think the BR ranked experience would benefit from players only be in ques either one rank above or below their current rank and should only be playing against players one rank above or below them only.
I think the above might be something that works. again this is a team game and helping downed teammates can go a long way towards winning a game and should be awarded. not all players are great assault players but sometimes they are that great support player and getting the res off to keep the team going just like some legends.
Now on to Arenas ranked. I really like me some arenas it helps keep you sharp in cc skills and I use non- Ranked Arenas as a firing range so to speak. what a great way to warm up. however the ranked arenas point system is not well done or well balanced or whatever, it does not work. I think that the AP system needs to be made clear as far as points awarded goes, this hidden MMR and AP award system is way too ambiguous. Again this is a team game concept and team play should be rewarded.
1. Add a ranked cost starting at silver that increases at each higher rank. IDK say 20/25/35/40/45?
2. No rank protection.
3. Award team that wins the Arena game AP. lets say 60 AP.
4. Award team AP for each match won in a game whether the team won the game or not. 5 AP per match?
5. Award player individual AP for kills and assists. 5AP each?
6. Award player individual AP for revives. 5 AP each?
As with the BR Ranked I also seriously think the Arena ranked experience would benefit from players only be in ques either one rank above or below their current rank and should only be playing against players one rank above or below them only.
I think something like this would allow players that perform well even if their team ultimately loses be able to still gain AP. I mean it is really frustrating when you get 8 kills 1400 or more damage a revive and when you lose the game all you get is AP loss.
let me know what you think.
See you on KC/WE/Olympus or in the Arenas I will probably be the one you just eliminated or maybe not 😉
- @Cheese9Man My exact thoughts, the first time I cracked into Plat IV a few seasons back. Decided to give the ranked grind a try for a season. Cruised through somewhat easily up until I migrated to the sweat-fest that is Plat. I didn't expect it to be THAT much different. I simply don't have the patience to solo queue through that, so I basically just have fun in pubs these days. It just isn't worth it, without a permanent divetrail, for me
Honestly I think a lot of the recommendations above for ranked are not good.
Theyre all about hot dropping if you think about it, all gun play and none tactics.
The problem with ranked scoring is it cuts your performance from mattering unless you get top 2 teams at a certain point. I hate to say but if everyone is getting points for damage and knockdowns, but you don’t change how tiers work, you aren’t getting any different results.
@KelRieveroh yeah?, I want you to remember all the times you had a trash squad, and you down 2 out of 3 of that squad or at least that one guy, and your teammates can't either kill the others or finish the downed one
You knock down someone, you do your bloody job yet you get -24 RP depending on rank.
- I hit a wall in Plat when ranked launched in S2 because of a clear lack of mechanical skill. My team was of no match against enemies, we would get wiped out instantly. I only played Pubs mostly after that.
I didn't touch Plat ranked up until S5, bear in mind that I already had 1500 hrs by that time(slow progress on my part as a new fps player). Just think about it even if you get better twice as fast as me, skill difference for Gold and Plat lobby is still 500 hrs plus(easy 2 seasons).
I have hit Diamond 4 times as a solo now I think, but I have never played in actual Diamond lobbies because I know there is a skill wall waiting for me. Well maybe total 5 games in which I died to blatant aimbot.
TL;DR- if you are stuck in Plat IV for two week it's time to GIT GUD in pubs.@BaldWraithSimpback in season 5 when I hit plat, I did knew it was kind of my skill cieling, but I still had at least that reward feeling and I even sometimes had fun
- @Cheese9Man have been playing the game for 7 months, I hit this wall only in Diamond 4 and for obvious reasons (in my opinion):
1. lack of my skill first and foremost
2. players bluntly hacking more in diamond+ lobbies (have evidence, have reported most if not all of them, noone cares in here, that's another story)
3. situation with matchmaking that favours higher ranked players and putting D4 hardstucks with Masters and Predators in the same lobby with higher ratio of latter than former
4. people in D4+ grind regularly and in many cases have set teams that make a huge difference, we all know how bad experience is playing with randoms, even if this random is suddenly ex-Master / Predator who collects all the points in the team and you finish with 1 kill and 500 damage while he has 10+ and 4k+...
All lobbies till D4 were somewhat easy to me since I started playing - hit P3 in my first split, P1 in the next and since then only D4 in every split mostly without a set team, playing with people on Discord (who at least have mics) already makes it so much easier.@Eshshshss beaming someone till they get knocked and still remaining alive is a notice for your team that they should be doing their job, getting their knocks on other members of their team while I recharge
- @damsonwhufndthis clearly we are not on the same page about topics like teamwork, risk mitigation, and diversification.
Further discussion is pointless here, we agree to disagree let's call it so.
Hope to see you in ranked BR.
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