Plain and simple rank needs to be revamped at least in platinum plus expecting people to constantly win points wise and come out positive is just a terrible experience for majority of players. And after seeing so many pros tenfold my skill give up its quite evident it needs to be fixed so if this isn't like how battle field is with points don't bother promising a fix it won't do much.All efforts need to be rewarded with such a huge point penalty.Damage: 2 points per hundred dealtKnockdown give 3Revives give 5Respawns give 10ASSIST NEED IMPROVEMENT make it where being a distraction that leads to someone's death gives something even if no damage dealt. Maybe just being in the vicinity of the action should give something cause good bit of times you just miss out (no communication solo ques make it hard to line up execution from everyone) its chaotic alot of times so maybe would prevent players from being toxic like sacrificing you for a kill and yes this happens alot especially higher ranks.Please feedback i know this has been brought up alot I just haven't seen anyone provide ideas just complaining.

Honestly I think a lot of the recommendations above for ranked are not good.Theyre all about hot dropping if you think about it, all gun play and none tactics.The problem with ranked scoring is it cuts your performance from mattering unless you get top 2 teams at a certain point. I hate to say but if everyone is getting points for damage and knockdowns, but you don’t change how tiers work, you aren’t getting any different results.

@MabusHades I believe they have confirmed a ranked KP rework is coming in the upcoming Season 11. I don't think specifics will be available until the patch notes are released though. I'm definitely curious to see how they handle it.I like the idea of knockdowns granting maybe 1 RP, and perhaps a small amount from respawns. I feel like revive RP would be exploited? Not sure. I like how assist RP works, at the moment. It doesn't seem right, to give assist points to someone that did 0 damage to that particular enemy. Rank boosting would be even worse, if that were the case.I'll reserve my judgement for after the patch notes are released, but I am at least hopeful for a positive outcome.

@MabusHades @Cheese9Man @AEUHX @dSKyNafinchin From a previous post of mine. Well I know this might be long. I am not the best Apex player nor the worst and I have good and bad days and I have slowly come to the conclusion and really think ranked for both BR and Arenas needs to be updated/fixed. I have been playing since season 1. Please do not take the below suggestions to literally they are a starting discussion point only and keep in mind "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one"The concept of the game in BR ranked is team play whether you are playing with friends or solo jumping with randoms. I get the concept of the current ranked points system and feel that it is decent however team play is not rewarded at its fullest. so here are a couple of serious suggestions for making a decent system possibly better.1, Remove the placement multiplier for kills.2. Keep placement RP award as is.3. Award 15 RP for each kill.4. Award 8 RP for each assist .5. Award 5 RP for each revive.6. Award 10 RP for each re-spawn.7. RP for kills and assists capped at 75 RP per game.8. RP for revive or re-spawn capped at 45 RP per game.9. keep the ranked entry cost the same or make them slightly more expensive seeing as points could now be gained for revive/re-spawning also.10. Remove rank protection. I also seriously think the BR ranked experience would benefit from players only be in ques either one rank above or below their current rank and should only be playing against players one rank above or below them only.I think the above might be something that works. again this is a team game and helping downed teammates can go a long way towards winning a game and should be awarded. not all players are great assault players but sometimes they are that great support player and getting the res off to keep the team going just like some legends.Now on to Arenas ranked. I really like me some arenas it helps keep you sharp in cc skills and I use non- Ranked Arenas as a firing range so to speak. what a great way to warm up. however the ranked arenas point system is not well done or well balanced or whatever, it does not work. I think that the AP system needs to be made clear as far as points awarded goes, this hidden MMR and AP award system is way too ambiguous. Again this is a team game concept and team play should be rewarded.1. Add a ranked cost starting at silver that increases at each higher rank. IDK say 20/25/35/40/45?2. No rank protection.3. Award team that wins the Arena game AP. lets say 60 AP.4. Award team AP for each match won in a game whether the team won the game or not. 5 AP per match?5. Award player individual AP for kills and assists. 5AP each?6. Award player individual AP for revives. 5 AP each?As with the BR Ranked I also seriously think the Arena ranked experience would benefit from players only be in ques either one rank above or below their current rank and should only be playing against players one rank above or below them only.I think something like this would allow players that perform well even if their team ultimately loses be able to still gain AP. I mean it is really frustrating when you get 8 kills 1400 or more damage a revive and when you lose the game all you get is AP loss.let me know what you think.See you on KC/WE/Olympus or in the Arenas I will probably be the one you just eliminated or maybe not 😉

Rework for both Battle Royale and Arenas has been confirmed for Season 11. Had a friend ask them if the Arenas AP point system was glitched and they said that it was supposed to be like that but they were going to start to work on it next season (season 11). Im guessing since BR is the priority it'll most likely arrive sooner than arenas. Expect an arenas ranked ap rework for mid S11 or its final stretch.

I hate the steep jump in difficulty comparing Gold lobbies to Plat lobbies. The game just changes in plat rather than a gradual increase in difficulty. I'm all in for rank points changes.

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Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@damsonwhufndthis total nonsense. You getting a knock or dealing X amount of damage does not automatically mean that it was the right decision FOR THE TEAM.

Ranked is about winning (or for some maxing out on kills/assists) - either case requires tactics, teamwork and coordination.

And you say running into a squad and getting a lucky beam does not mean that team should follow and die for it, because it might be tactically wrong decision e.g. risk of getting 3rd partied, maybe team has other range weapons and can't be as effective as you were in the current battle range etc etc.

You win as a team and you die as a team, that's why it is 3v3 not 1 vs 57.
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man have been playing the game for 7 months, I hit this wall only in Diamond 4 and for obvious reasons (in my opinion):

1. lack of my skill first and foremost
2. players bluntly hacking more in diamond+ lobbies (have evidence, have reported most if not all of them, noone cares in here, that's another story)
3. situation with matchmaking that favours higher ranked players and putting D4 hardstucks with Masters and Predators in the same lobby with higher ratio of latter than former
4. people in D4+ grind regularly and in many cases have set teams that make a huge difference, we all know how bad experience is playing with randoms, even if this random is suddenly ex-Master / Predator who collects all the points in the team and you finish with 1 kill and 500 damage while he has 10+ and 4k+...

All lobbies till D4 were somewhat easy to me since I started playing - hit P3 in my first split, P1 in the next and since then only D4 in every split mostly without a set team, playing with people on Discord (who at least have mics) already makes it so much easier.
damsonwhufndthi
4 years ago
@Eshshshssrisk of getting 3rd partied is a risk everyone will take, because no matter if the fight goes for 1 hour or 12 seconds, if the squads wanna fight they will teleport to your location and start partying
damsonwhufndthi
4 years ago
@Eshshshss beaming someone till they get knocked and still remaining alive is a notice for your team that they should be doing their job, getting their knocks on other members of their team while I recharge
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@damsonwhufndthis clearly we are not on the same page about topics like teamwork, risk mitigation, and diversification.

Further discussion is pointless here, we agree to disagree let's call it so.
Hope to see you in ranked BR.
Eshshshss
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@MabusHadesregarding split length in my opinion only people who see this as a problem are ones that at the end of the split have been "in the middle" or let's call it at the bottom of the higher tier e.g. you as a good Platinum player actually making it to Diamond 4.

Why? Let me explain.

End of the split all people get -1.5 tiers. In this example, you as a Diamond 4 (actually Platinum level) player get into high Gold.

High gold can play with Silver (ex-high gold / low platinum players = easier target for you), Gold (ex Platinum players = 50/50 for you), and Platinum players (ex diamonds or even Masters = much better players than you).

So the first part of the split for you is the grind that is mainly determined by matchmaking given if you get a higher ratio of Silver and Gold, you progress fast, if you start to face more Gold and Platinum that is equivalent of the previous D4 level and higher = your max, it should not be a surprise that you are stuck, progressing slowly.
Just because at the moment you are in Gold and previously were in Diamond should not make it easier for you, because lobbies remain the same level = D4 = your max.

Over time - mentioned 1-2 weeks we all see an easier time because better players already go into Diamond and no longer can play vs you in Gold and lower-ranked players grind and rank up to face you (still better than them) in Gold lobbies = lobbies and matchmaking start to favor you, you rank up to platinum and again face the same situation as in Gold for the next 2 weeks or so just to reach your peak rank by the end of the split.

BUT THAT IS THE POINT OF RANKED otherwise you would either remain hard-stuck in one level for all weeks in a row or progress indefinately defeating prupose of ranked system.
KelRiever
4 years ago
@damsonwhufndthis @I’m usually leaving my team and carrying them to the win in the current system. Adding knockdowns and damage point would be nice but it won’t change that you get blocked out from advancing at a certain point with no hope.
Have you at least gotten to platinum yet? It starts there.
BaldWraithSimp
4 years ago
I hit a wall in Plat when ranked launched in S2 because of a clear lack of mechanical skill. My team was of no match against enemies, we would get wiped out instantly. I only played Pubs mostly after that.

I didn't touch Plat ranked up until S5, bear in mind that I already had 1500 hrs by that time(slow progress on my part as a new fps player). Just think about it even if you get better twice as fast as me, skill difference for Gold and Plat lobby is still 500 hrs plus(easy 2 seasons).

I have hit Diamond 4 times as a solo now I think, but I have never played in actual Diamond lobbies because I know there is a skill wall waiting for me. Well maybe total 5 games in which I died to blatant aimbot.

TL;DR- if you are stuck in Plat IV for two week it's time to GIT GUD in pubs.
damsonwhufndthi
4 years ago
@Eshshshsskind of cheesy to say for yourself, did you know that people have different playstyles? shocking news aye?
@KelRieverI've reached platinum in season 5 before and after season 5 I barely played, and currently I seem to be sitting at gold unintentionaly
I'm not saying that the knockdowns rewarding in little to no rank points would make a difference,
however it would stop the "bleed" of your rank points, like in gold you get -24, but let's say you knock someone so instead you only lose -22
that's something that can add up, not to mention times where you throw tactical/ultimate/granade and knock someone,
or when you damage someone enough they get knocked in the ring,
the numbers would add up,
these kinds of "accomplishments" should be rewarded since there are so many players that barely crack someone's shield,
you should be rewarded for using the game's mechanic like a granade or using ring as your finisher for a knockdown...
Sometimes you knock each other, but the guy that dies last gets all the points, since he got the kill you just knocked him even though he will die soon after you, you get nothing,
sounds hecking rewarding doesn't it?
damsonwhufndthi
4 years ago
@BaldWraithSimpback in season 5 when I hit plat, I did knew it was kind of my skill cieling, but I still had at least that reward feeling and I even sometimes had fun

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