If you're starting from Rookie it's not going to be much different from pubs. Silver is where it gets good. Bronze = Pubs, really. When people start losing -20 pts for dumb play they start taking it more seriously.
Dude the main thing which is contradicting / "crying" comment related is - where you draw that magical line of Pubs / Ranked / whatever mode being "too competitive" for casuals?
That is my biggest issue - it is subjective af.
To be objective you have to have clear goals, rules.
If you are casual imo you don't care about stats, I am sweat and I don't care about stats. If you do, then comment on clear, objective rules e.g. Pubs should contain players with X, Y, Z, based on metrics...
At the moment I am hearing that you (similar to many more) are ok with competition as long as you are winning or not losing too often, for sure not getting stompped which imo is not feasible in games like Apex:
1. as I said the effort people give will vary greatly and you just have to deal with that
2. to determine player's rank there will be still games were better/worse player will be matched in multiple games vs inappropriate rank to determine his skill level, adjust MMR or whatever metrics -> multiple that by smurfing/hacking situation, 300-600000 active players, number of games played ... basically you will be lucky to get balanced lobby on random occasions but most of the time game will feel unfair
3. finally there is a saying "if you enter competition, be ready to lose" this is imo the main thing missing from "casual" player's mentality. you always want some sort of safety net even for pubs :)
Regarding financing part - I did not say that sweats will finance the game, I said I would pay if needed. Otherwise I am ok with games dying, switching to other games (just did that for 3 month to Valorant, adjusted my settings, game style, enjoyed the game for a few months) etc. Nothing is perfect nor will last eternity nor maybe should last eternity.
As for sweats in higher ranked - no, that is my biggest gripe with ranked system since season 15. It just allows too many casuals to spill into now Diamond level. Diamond now contains ~30% of a ranked player base vs <15% at times even <10% in the past which imo was more realistic. Some 10 seasons ago Master's badge meant something, nowadays I view ranked as follows and if compiled data will back it up:
- anything below D4 = total casual that should not play ranked at all, does not have skill, awareness, competitive spirit, just runs and guns
- D4-D1 = what used to be average / high Platinum level player in the past = somewhat capable of the above said
- Masters (16-20k) = either ratting / boosted D4-D1 or hacker or in some cases indeed legit good player
- Masters 20k+ / Pred = pretty much 90%+ hackers, boosted players with questionable (no recoil) control and other package deals
Long story short - in ranked soloq you basically can't find a decent and legit player. For the past week of daily 4+h grin I can tell I have had like 3 normal humans I played with who were decent and good human beings that can communicate and play accordingly.
So all I am saying is that people have to accept that sooner or later depending on your skill set and given environment things will get tough and rough, because it is competitive game at its basis. There is no eternal growth or eternal "don't make me sweat" matchmaking. Plus there are so many factors - one day you are locked in, one totally off and that would yield totally different game experiences. Stop "crying", getting stomped -> improve or quit the game -> come back later or switch it.
"cry" harder with your elitist and "one true way" philosophy. "anything below D4 = total casual that should not play ranked at all," says it all. You are super special. Only people who meet your test should dare to play different modes. And even then at higher levels you kind of hint it's not worth it so... what then? You contradict yourself constantly.
Do you read what you write? Are you not embarrassed in the least? I'm literally laughing at this as it's so ludicrous. More experienced than you, older, and wiser. And it totally shows here. So should ratting players be allowed to play? That's ok? Read what you wrote and say it out loud to yourself. Laughing. You do you bro. Be thankful your universe does not come into fruition as you would not have a game to play as your fantasy world pretty much eliminates most of the player base. Don't start a company. Pro tip.
You must be trolling :D
Don't let your emotions take over your logical brain ;) All I am saying is and can be fact proven, no blurry lines and sh, clear facts.
E.g. Typical D4 level player will complain how bad everyone is but more often than not:
a) will have bad (for Diamond at least old standard ranked system Diamond) level mechanics
b) will have 0 or close to that hours invested in aim training be it on MNK or adjusting controller sensitivity etc, just play standard DPI or 4-3 linear because "everyone does so"
c) hardly if ever will record his games and review them and see if and when he f-up
d) will not follow game, rotations just shoot what's in front or more often die and ask "where did that came from"
And the list goes one.
If you competitive what ranked is you have goals -> when you reach them -> you set new ones and continue competing. Rest is not competition, just participation to get "participation medals for all" and ranked just does not give those out in Apex, instead you get -65 RP each game in D4+. And that's normal.
Finally about "one right way" doing things: dude I play ranked super competitive and people might have problem with that, I don't. I come to pubs, I play super competitive, people might have problems with that I don't, sometimes I play pubs casually and it's ok for me not to have whatever stats because I don't care about stats especially when playing pubs.
Long story short I can do both and I cry about neither -> casuals can't really do anything besides running and gunning and cry about everything else :)
Only thing I would like this game to improve is hackers and smurfs to make top level games more honest at the same time kept playing lobbies like this today for 3+h game after game after game and still in almost D2 level :)
It was not pleasant but it was kinda fun unless #18 current Pred just hacked the s out of me and my team :) But that's ok, he probably has other problems in life too :)
Nope, no trolling. Just horrified by your view.
Elitist. Gatekeeping. You clearly think you are super-special.
Casuals shouldn't play. Pubs should be just matched with anyone making wildly unbalanced lobbies.
I am glad nobody listens to you; there would be nobody left as I would have quit ages ago as would have thousands of others if their experience is just getting smashed game after game after game which seems to be reasonable to you. I honestly have no idea what universe you live in where this is remotely a good idea; unless you just want anyone not worthy of your praise to quit. That seems to be the point.
I honestly don't get it. You seem to want to to go out of your way to make peoples experience with the game as poor as possible. How does that benefit you? Where on the dolly did the n00b player hurt you? How does it hurt you if worse players are matched up against each other without you? How does that affect the game negatively for you exactly? Don't feel special then?
Pretty horrific.
