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Re: Rank rework confirmed!

@Gabrielmojo26 The team kp is a good thing. But it's half way which is dumb.

I think you highly underestimate people and their want for easier matches. Just look at all the smurfs. Now tho, instead of having to make new accounts people can just jump off the map, ruining 6 other people's games because it takes 3 bad games to cause demotion.

18 Replies

  • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
    Gabrielmojo26
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @hayhor IMO, the skill gap between a P1 and D4 player is minimal, yet alone a D1 and M4 player, not sure why you wouldn’t open a smurf account instead of getting demoted half a rank lol.
    The demotion is just enough to make you think twice, especially if you’ve been carried, which seems to be the case for many players.

    I really don’t get the “I’ll reach my rank and stop playing out of fear” mentality. Demotion will weed out the crappy players, and imo, they (Respawn) should have been less forgiving, demote a full tier, not 50%, get rid of the 3 freebies, your actions should reflect your tier, you play like poopoo, you get demoted.
  • KelRiever's avatar
    KelRiever
    4 years ago

    @Gabrielmojo26 Really?  I would definitely put a major skill gap between Plat IV and Diamond IV (really a Plat IV and a Plat III to Diamond IV).  I would also, of course, put a major skill gap between Diamond IV and Diamond III.  And a major Skill gap between Plat IV and Gold IV.

    If you're talking 6% of players and above in Diamond, it makes sense anyway, as the thinner population is going to give you more variance in skill.  Even just being in plat puts you in the top quarter or so of players, so there's still more variance there.

    I mean, this goes all the way to Masters and above, where there are incredibly massive skill gaps within teams at each step even.  You couldn't ever figure two Master IV teams are equal just based on their rank, worse at Master III+ I'm sure.

    My experience:  When you are a particular rank, everything beneath you starts to look easy.  Which is a valid, but completely relative, perspective.

  • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
    Gabrielmojo26
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago
    @KelRiever Major skill gap between P4 and D4, yes, no arguments there....but I wrote P1 and D4. Again, not sure why you'd demote 50% of one single tier, to get easier lobbies, only to be back in the same tier within a few games.

    Also note, i'm insinuating you can't go any lower in tiers once you've demoted. Hence a D4 that gets demoted to 50% of P1, is the lowest he'll get demoted, which is perfectly fine cause weeding out the bad players from these crucial bottom tiers is what truly matters.
  • KelRiever's avatar
    KelRiever
    4 years ago

    Sorry, I misread and I agree there isn't that much difference between P1 and D4.

    But I'm not sure how much weeding out is really going to be done here.  I think Respawn's original concern of people quitting is fairly spot, especially in that crucial Pi v D4 category you speak of, with a silly dive trail at stake (is it really a big deal? no, but I think people make it a big deal).  

    A D4 getting demoted might play on, but I think it is more likely they'll quit on the first D4 hit, or...after they have to struggle back to D4 again once, or twice, they'll quit soon after that.  I guess it is weeding out in one sense because less people will be playing ranked, but is that the right solution?

    This happens with all the people leaving threads too, and as I've said there, nobody has to play this game.  Nobody has to play ranked either.  If Respawn is totally fine with less people playing ranked, then maybe this is an okay decision.  But if they are trying to promote people playing ranked, they've only included punishment and no real reward.  That's not the right goal.

    What reward people get for playing ranked is something up for debate.  I think people played ranked because they were under the impression that it was better because less people quit and there was more of a chance of them playing together.  These benefits might be tossed if players are more concerned about their vanity...and frankly, I tend to think most people are.

    This is not going to affect people who play ranked just because they like it, and are willing to put up with demotion risk.  

  • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
    Gabrielmojo26
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @KelRieverI think you're slowly easing up to these changes lmao! Give it a few weeks, then we can trash Respawn if anything lol

    Edit* As for weeding out bad players, it's going to be a slow process, as in weeks, cause well, they all get 3 freebies, that one I don't understand Respawn.

  • KelRiever's avatar
    KelRiever
    4 years ago

    I mean, maybe, but I do give credit where Respawn is due.  Then hayhor goes on about me being positive for once XD.

    I tell people I can be negative AND positive, these things can happen when looking at a game.

    For now, I think my biggest complaint is it seems very wrongheaded, presuming that Respawn wants to attract people to ranked, and what they want to do is encourage team play.  But we'll see, like you said.

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    4 years ago
    @Gabrielmojo26 When I say people will demote I'm not saying half a tier. They'll demote all the way back to gold from diamond. And ruin everyone else's experience in the process.

    I knew multiple people that would demote 5 or more whole divisions on fifa just to farm lesser players. I know people today that quit games in WL so they get a couple easy ones.

    I hope you are right that this won't happen but ill believe it when I see it.
  • Cheese9Man's avatar
    Cheese9Man
    4 years ago

    @KelRiever @hayhor @Gabrielmojo26 I don’t think ladder anxiety won’t affect most people. Even if you were demoted to plat I from diamond IV, you’ll still get the divetrail/rewards from the highest rank you reached. 

    Yes, if I read it correctly, the lowest demotion you can go is the 50% mark of the lower division. You have 3 demotion protection games then you’ll immediately be punished to the 50% of the lower rank if you still lost RP.

    I thought that the increased RP to play would be punishing but you’ll gain much more RP in game from the team, increased assist threshold etc. m

    The more I read the blogpost the more I get excited. Lol.

  • asukojo's avatar
    asukojo
    4 years ago

    @Cheese9Man 

    It's a pickle:

    1. If they still get the dive trail, they will just purposely demoted so they can have "good time" in lower tier.

    2. If they don't get dive trail, they will never touch the game anymore to secure the dive trail.

  • @asukojo You can only go so down and probably just face the same skill level of enemies. You cannot go lower than 50% of Plat I if you were demoted from diamond IV. You can’t demote yourself to bronze.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    4 years ago
    @Gabrielmojo26 Hey if what you guys are saying it right they are protecting for both of my concerns. That's good then.
  • I cannot understand the demotion thing at all. Does it mean that in say plat 4 if u have 3 bad games you are put back to gold III!? I've reread the above posts but cannot grasp it. 

  • Cheese9Man's avatar
    Cheese9Man
    4 years ago
    @OldTreeCreeper Let’s say you’re in plat 4, you have 3 games where your negative RP won’t demote you back to 50% of Gold I and not gold III. If I understood it correctly, you’ll still be in the same lobbies since some Gold I lobbies are mixed with Plat IV lobbies anyways.
  • Tad844's avatar
    Tad844
    4 years ago
    @Cheese9Man Absolutely amazing changes. Especially the fact that they removed the kill rp cap, now the game can be finally played as it was intended all along, as a fast paced fps not as campy warzone hold a building until you die style. I guess me and my friends are gonna be flying through plat/diamond so fast, cleaning the lobbies for kp.
  • OldTreeCreeper's avatar
    OldTreeCreeper
    Hero+
    4 years ago

    @Cheese9Man Thank you for your reply. I'm almost there 😃

    So is it correct to say that if I score 1 point in the first 3 games, I would no longer be demoted to half way down gold 1.

    After that if I lose points, with demotion protection gone, would I just go down into gold 1 the number of negative RP of that game?

    Subsequent to either of the above, do I again face the 3 game sinario upon entering plat again?

    Pictures would help this aged brain 😉