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Re: SBMM is not actually SBMM

@Cheese9ManI agree but isn't Overwatch's problem that the substantial drop in players over time (moving to other game) has affected lobby numbers rather than their rigid MM plus they have more game modes than Apex.I'm in no way advocating lengthy waiting times for Apex but surely there has to be middle ground for us 'casual players' than just being stomped by teams & players who dedicate most of their time to this game.As I mentioned in another comment short waiting times has left players like me with teammates short before the match has even started.

I only mentioned a solo queue only lobby to at least bring an element of fairness back into the game & got mugged off by someone who just wants quick waiting times.

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  • Cheese9Man's avatar
    Cheese9Man
    4 years ago

    @RedmattgameYeah Overwatch isn't the best example since it's also just a 6v6 game compared to apex where you have to fill a 60-player lobby. The queue time problems in the game is definitely multi-factorial not just the drop in players.

    It got me thinking of possible solutions to the MM without sacrificing queue times. Does removing some of the servers from a same place help? I play in Tokyo and we have 6 servers. What if we only have 2 Tokyo servers so that there would be less separation of players across different servers, increasing the number of players per server, and having a better MM so noobs aren't forced to fill pred lobbies. I'm no dev so feedback is welcome.

  • @Cheese9Man All good suggestions but does the player count that Apex claim it has stack up when I frequently have lobbies that struggle to fill over 50 players & I play on London servers & play between 6-9pm GMT (depending if Worlds Edge is on 2 hour map rotation of which I wont be playing).Maybe an idea would be to reduce the lobby in a match to 45 players (15 teams).
  • @Redmattgame The point of pubs should be to provide quick matchmaking with minimum matchmaking criteria. If you are looking for fair matchmaking in pubs, I am afraid your hope is misplaced. Sure it's frustrating but that's the nature of mode.

    Now that's out of the way, let's talk about ranked. Players are already divided by their rank tiers for fair matchmaking, so to further 50/50(assumed number) that population in a mode that requires 60 players(talking Platinum+) is a disaster for queue times. Or hell if it's 70/30 or something, then it's even worse.

    They could test it in pubs, but it should remain as is imo. Big no for ranked, it would be a disaster just like Arena ranked experience.

    I called it a 'worst idea', I will change that to a bad idea. Don't take it personally, I was being blunt.





  • Redmattgame's avatar
    Redmattgame
    4 years ago

    @BaldWraithSimp wrote:
    @RedmattgameThe point of pubs should be to provide quick matchmaking with minimum matchmaking criteria. If you are looking for fair matchmaking in pubs, I am afraid your hope is misplaced. Sure it's frustrating but that's the nature of mode.

    Now that's out of the way, let's talk about ranked. Players are already divided by their rank tiers for fair matchmaking, so to further 50/50(assumed number) that population in a mode that requires 60 players(talking Platinum+) is a disaster for queue times. Or hell if it's 70/30 or something, then it's even worse.

    They could test it in pubs, but it should remain as is imo. Big no for ranked, it would be a disaster just like Arena ranked experience.

    I called it a 'worst idea', I will change that to a bad idea. Don't take it personally, I was being blunt.






    And so gauging by your comment/admission Apex has either no or  minimum SBMM criteria (like many of us have always said) but seeing as how it is among the most requested fixes that players want to see in the game by commenters on other forums,youtubers & their subscribers & even pro players which is stark contrast to your 'like it or lump it' attitude. There are things like I'd see things change/improve in Apex for sure but 'misplaced hope' it certainly isn't as Apex certainly doesn't command anything like the game time I used play I just play other game more now I've moved on.

    But as I have commented previously what incentive is there for new or casual players to continuously play a game when they are hopelessly outclassed by far far better & more experienced players game after game.

    And to be honest Ash I certainly don't take anything you say personally whether it just be bluntly,partronizingly etc because opinions are like a-holes (everyone has one).

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