Re: Should Apex streamers being toxic on stream be banned from the game?

@hayhor

The person who has been yelled at may be watching the stream afterwords and discover what happened.

Also, it is clearly witnessed by hundred if not thousands of bystanders. I believe there is no excuse to avoid issuing reprimands for streamers being toxic and calling opponents a derogatory selection among a variety of names.

@hayhor For Xednim, he was trying to get predator in Season-3 and has been streaming for a long time and getting tired.

Then chat start getting toxic and start insulting him so he got triggered. Chat easily record it and report to twitch and he got ban.

@hayhor
Well I suppose it would be possible to report it.

I mean, devs watch streams.... so  I am puzzled why nothing has yet happened.

The question is, are rules for everyone, or do we clearly have someone above the rules?

@VdstrkAgain, is it against the game rules to talk about someone on stream who isnt watching you?

@hayhor

Yes. It is offensive speech.

I won;t be bothered one way or the other.

Streams are 18+ so, some vulgarities are just fine. Nothing wrong with it, it emphasizes the emotions the player is feeling. That is OK.

What I am referring to is statements such, for example  "that player is tr@#h", they are such "bots" and so on.... and worse.

If the recipient isn't there, it does not mean nothing has happened. And there are several witnesses every time that happens.

@hayhor

I'm not sure I've made this clear enough. It should not be a  black and white situation for which a bad word would lead to an in game suspension. What i am referring to are well defined instances in which certain statements are made, and are clearly derogatory, hateful etc.

The fact that it happens on stream is irrelevant. What matters is that is happens in game. IF the streamer is playing Apex, and the streamer violates ToS, and there is a record....

That is what I would guess should happen.

https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/apex-legends/apex-legends/play-by-the-rules-in-apex-legends/

"Don’t be a troll

Hate speech and other offensive behavior isn’t cool, and we won’t accept “But I was role-playing!” as an excuse. Harassment of other players will earn you a time-out."

https://www.cybersmile.org/advice-help/gaming/types-of-abuse

Most likely something along the lines of the above.

@BaldWraithSimp

It is. For what concern a streaming platform, it has it's own rules.
The game however fails to enforce ToS, when it does not addresses something that is clearly accessible through a streaming platform.

A person can be arrested based on evidence from a security camera, even if that camera does not belong to the business that has been victimized. So it should follow that a streamer can be suspended in game for violating ToS even if the person on the receiving side has not submitted a complaint, in virtue of the existing evidence produced by the stream, and the viewers.
Shouldn't it?

@Koochi-Q

You can watch a stream afterwards, and find out, or be told by a friend etc. 

That is beside the point.

It is clear that there are 2 separate sets of rules, one for the average player, and one for streamers.

Same thing happens when streamers get cheaters banned live.

You, I , and a million of other players will never know if a person you reported has been banned. Streamers get to know it Live.

@VdstrkOkay then afterwards, lets say you find out you got spoken bad about. It’s not thrash talking cause that’s in the moment self. Only way to get banned (after the fact) is for hate speech such as extreme derogatory comments, racism and such. Otherwise there’s no valid reason to even apply this towards the bannable.

There’s definitely 2 standards, not as much sets of rules. But in real life that’s the same. I know for almost a fact that if a streamer... wait I know for a fact that if streamers do hate mongering that they get banned, even after the fact. But let a normal person just speak ill about someone during a stream and I can almost guarantee that they won’t get banned cause it’s not hate filled or spreading.

@Koochi-Q

Sure, and that is what I am referring to. Most likely, if a streaming platform applies a ban to a streamer for being derogatory, it is for quite serous statements.
Then it should go without saying, that the issue should be reviewed also by the the game ToS team and decide if a suspension applies.

If a streamer makes, say for example threats, and a suspension from the streaming platform follows, and the same rule is among the game's ToS, I do not see why that steamer should not be suspended in game as well.

As I said above. It is not the banter, it is not the occasional F word, or the vulgarity, or the "down to earth" speech etc.

It is the serious racist, or threatening stuff, including what would be cause for a suspension for a regular player. Everything that applies to me, you, and a million other players, should apply to streamers as well.
My question is, does it apply? or we really have 2 sets of rules?

In the case of banned players, we clearly have 2 sets of rules. that is visible from the several clips claiming live ban in Apex on YouTube.

@BaldWraithSimp

I understand. You mean that the streamer making a remark is just talking to his audience and not directly to the team mate, or enemy. I disagree in the way you intend it as being limited to the game's only text of voice chat, as long as there are witnesses to it, even if that witness is a camera recording the fact.