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Re: Where is the actual gameplay besides looting?

@Tad844 Well, you see it the way you see it, but I have to say that I think the developers understand their game very well. And EA's announcement to shareholders that the game is a cash cow suggests that most players don't hate the formula. What I don't understand is why players who crave a simpler and faster-paced game don't just go and play a simpler and faster-paced game, from which there are so many to choose. Including an arena mode in this very game. Honestly, if this game feels like a loot simulator to you then it's time for a little Halo. And trust me when I say, unless you have a legit adhd diagnosis or an IQ in the double digits, then you'll be back.

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  • Tad844's avatar
    Tad844
    3 years ago
    @reconzero Apex has some core elements which elevate it above the rest, such as movement, gunplay, ttk. Once you've played apex, everything else feels like garbage. I just want the devs to stick to the fast paced fps game that apex is. But apparently they make more money out of it if they keep building on the loot simulator/ pve aspect of it.

    It is easier and more profitable to add a new legend, a new weapon and a ton of new skins every season instead of fixing game breaking bugs/glitches/servers or the sound.
  • warslag's avatar
    warslag
    3 years ago

    @reconzero wrote:
    @Tad844 What I don't understand is why players who crave a simpler and faster-paced game don't just go and play a simpler and faster-paced game,

    Games development companies - the means of producing high quality games - have been gobbled up by large corporations. Some of those large corporations have been gobbled up by even bigger corporations.These big companies use this producion capacity to develop video games as marketplaces for in-game digital sales. And they make huge amounts of money from it.

    I don't think solid reasoning on how gameplay should develop to satisfy the player is going to ever gain traction with these greedy companies while they are making tons of cash from microtransactions.

    That's why you can't just tell people to find some other game to play. Instead players should demand better gameplay from those who control the means of producing the games. I don't really see this happening and we all know that this has been a hot topic in the news with goverments deciding what is gambling in video games. But nothing has changed. We are playing a loot simulator because it seems to suit a greedy few. This is also why these games are so infuriating to play. It simply suits the purpose of the people who are making money from it.

    Apparently the devs have had very tough working conditions as well. Because they're being ruthlessly squeezed while there's a lot of money to be made.

    So I just want Apex, with its awesome team of developers behind it, to be developed to suit the players first and formeost.

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Tad844 "I just want the devs to stick to the fast paced fps game that apex is."

    Sorry, not seeing that at all. The thing I personally like about battle royale is the flexibility it offers the player - it can be any kind of game you want it to be - fast or slow, hot or cold, shooter or looter. If you try to make it all one way and not the other then suddenly it's just Call of Duty with a different aesthetic. Or so says me.
  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @warslag

    "I don't think solid reasoning on how gameplay should develop to satisfy the player is going to ever gain traction with these greedy companies while they are making tons of cash from microtransactions."

    I think you give very little credit to the player base to suppose that they will play a bad game for no other reason than to be able to throw money at it in order to have pointless cosmetics when they play the game they think is bad. Or am I over-simplifying?
  • @reconzero there is content videos of p2w apex skins.

    you need to relax a bit, and back off thinking respawn cares about you or how much fun you have
  • @reconzero you arent a psychologist, nor are you someone qualified to say youd be back for whatever reason.

    youre sub 20 years old. stay that way. enjoy life as it comes to you. You havent established anyting to the point whre you can suggest people do anything.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    3 years ago
    @reconzero But this is the issue with the new ranked. Theyve made it so you need to play it slow. Fighting before top 8 is dumb so you loot for 15 minutes before fighting.
  • @hayhor You can't do that because once you get to top 8, everyone will be with red shields and full loot waitting to 3rd party someone. Unless you get really lucky by 3rd partying someone yourself then you aren't going to win a fair 3v3 against similar skilled opponents with better loot/shields than you.
    You need to fight at the start until you have enough loot to last you to endgame.
  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @Gatorbaker

    1. Please feel free to link to that video.

    2. Thanks for the call to relaxation.

    3. Thanks for helping me to realize that a for-profit company cares more about profit than about my personal gaming experience. I didn't already know that because I'm a teenager who isn't a psychologist.

    What I do know, because I'm both older and smarter than you seem to think, is that no game developer cares about the experience of any single gamer. They care about the aggregate player experience. You could look that word up if you're unfamiliar with it. And their ability to fine tune that aggregate experience is why Andrew Wilson is a millionaire many times over and you are not. Oops, did I just make an assumption about you based on absolutely nothing whatsoever? My bad....

  • @hayhor I mean you can fight because most of randoms want to do so, but problem is they don't stop after the first fight. Instead of going into last zone after getting 2-3 kp they keep pushing every fight and of course the risk of dying will dramatically increase.

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @hayhor I would have said that any player with any kind of attention span would have been playing that way all along... assuming they care more about bumping up their win rate instead of their kill rate. These players put their personal playstyle ahead of the game objective, which is fine, but when the developer comes along and says it's time to start rewarding people for winning instead of just playing, I would have thought that would bring out players' competitive spirit. Instead it's shown up their complete inability to understand the game's real objective or adapt to changing circumstances in any meaningful way.

    Wow, that was harsh. Assume that I believe everything I just said, but bring the tone down by about 80%.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    3 years ago
    @Tad844 You are better than me and most people so you probably win more of those early fights. Today I played some ranked with friends. Dropped fish farms almost every game, looted it then went to the armory. We typically were all purple with great loot without fighting. The only non fish farms drops were to barometer contested which we won the fights. I gained a pretty good amount of RP.

    All of this was only silver but with the demotion stuff there were tons of diamonds in the lobbies.
  • warslag's avatar
    warslag
    3 years ago
    @reconzero Well people do do things which are bad for them and they seem to sometimes be fervent in their rights to continuing do those things. I mean smoking is an obvious one. Plus their were some daft things people disgreed over during the pandemic. I guess people are the same whne they're playing video games. It's inexplicable to me. But I've gotten quite used to banging my head against the wall trying to get people to expect and demand better gameplay.

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