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Wingmannedbro's avatar
6 years ago

Respawn... you need to do SOMETHING right now.

I get that you have a sick vision for your game, I get that you worked long hours to make the game's design fulfill that vision, but at some point, even after nearly a year of release, it's necessary to adjust that vision to be congruent with the reality that random players cannot be expected to play a game as intended.

I just played for about 3 straight hours to max out my battle pass, and literally, and I really mean literally every game except 2 "teammates" drop too far from the other 2, die almost immediately, and leave.

Imagine playing for 3 hours, and only getting 2 playable games (and one of those 2 ended early anyway but at least my squaddies didn't quit).

Apparently you don't want to give solo's so we have a viable playable mode when we have no friends available, and apparently it's also completely acceptable for droves upon droves of players to drop, die, inta-quit and repeat process, every single day for close to a year and never face any kind of penalty or repercussion for repeatedly ruining the game for other players. Something that every title, for every major PvP genre does actually do (with success) like MOBA's.

Players in reality are not team oriented at all. On the contrary they decide 98 out of 100 times that because they game "ended" for them it's fine for them to arbitrarily end the game for you, on your behalf as well.

What fun is there to be had in a game, where your own performance is put all the way in the backseat of the bus, because whether or not you can succeed in the game or have any shot at winning a match is almost entirely dependant on your teammates not straight up deserting games.

Almost. Every. Single. Game. Ends. In. 1 minute. Due. To. Deserters!

It's time to stop letting random people dictate the experience a player has in this game. In their hands, the game is being thrown off a cliff. Add solo's so people have a game to play without friends available, and for the love of god stop letting people desert 95% of all games they enter with impunity.

When i max out the battlepass i'm gonna be soooooo happy I DON'T have to play this game anymore. That's how fed up i am with "teammates". I spend upwards of 750 euro on this game in less than a year, that's how much I loved this game, yet randoms are actually toxic enough to overshadow it. The friends I made playing also barely play anymore. And they're saying to me it's for exact same reasons.

And that's the status quo with your game right now, the very freeloaders you've mentioned on reddit who occasionally log on and do nothing but griefing the game for your true fans, who play almost every day, and spend money on the game have created such a sad state of affairs that your game's real cadre of players is deciding to leave. They're the loud yelling family at your restaurant who are bad for your business, and is making people leave.

When my BP hits level 110 i'm going to uninstall, by the current design, Apex is just a ticket to put me in a bad mood. I can just go play Fortnite to scratch the BR itch for now, and just hope that you guys wise up.

Peace out.

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  • pastaclown's avatar
    pastaclown
    6 years ago

    @Flashshark1980 very conveniently you leave out where I say that good players will pick and choose their engagements when they're alone. I've jumped into multiple firefights whilst alone, and I'd say about half the time I come out on top. It's half skill and information, and half luck that will win you 1v3s. Sometimes you've got all the info and come out on top, and sometimes the audio bugs out and you get gored by a Mastiff. 

    Even just putting pressure on teams without killing anyone improves your chances of winning. Taking pot-shots with sniper rifles, flanking in cover enemies and subsequently downing them, draining shields, locking off escape routes with grenades, even just finishing off downed enemies is a sure-fire way to tip the scales in your favor. Information is your best friend, and currently you know you're alone, but no one else knows you're alone. 

    When you're alone, and your first thought is, "I'm alone I should hide and wait for the enemy to kill each other off." you've already lost, you might as well just quit and move onto the next game. All that time you spent hiding could've been time spent actually killing other people, and by God every time I've watched teammates hide someone comes by and blows them straight into next week. When you're alone, your first thought should be, "How can I tip the scales in my favor despite how awful the circumstances are?" Does that mean you shouldn't ever be waiting? No! It means waiting shouldn't be your primary mean of securing a better position. 


  • @pastaclown wrote:

    When you're alone, and your first thought is, "I'm alone I should hide and wait for the enemy to kill each other off." you've already lost, you might as well just quit and move onto the next game.


    1. I allready proofed with my screenshot that I can even win games alone and I have reached a good number of 2nd places (often 1st place clearly uses maphack or ESP to find me)

    2. Killing just gives 50 XP so even if you kill 10 enemies you just get 500 XP, for 18 minutes hiding I get 4200 points without any risk

    3. if you quit the game you have to wait for the next game and loose playing time. 3 x 4 minutes playing + 3 x 2 minutes waiting means a loss of 1400 XP. (need to kill 9 players each time)

    4. I do not abandon my team or hide when firefight start if I have a 3 man squad. But I recoqgnize when its time to fall back and play more defensive (especially alone or with 2 man)


    @pastaclown wrote:

    I've jumped into multiple firefights whilst alone, and I'd say about half the time I come out on top.


    Good for you! But 99% of the idiots I meet just die after 10 seconds because they land between 6 squads....
    They get 0 XP for kills and 40 XP for surviving 10 seconds rthen wait 2 minutes for next match.. LOL

  • pastaclown's avatar
    pastaclown
    6 years ago

    1. Your screenshot proves you know how to pick and choose engagements, which is why I was wondering why you didn't acknowledge that people can pick and choose. It's not impossible to wait and hit 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, but it's definitely not my preferred way. Why let fate take the wheel when you've got a perfectly good gun in your hands to make the wheels of fate turn for you?

    2. Your math is a little off, 18 minutes of pure hiding at 3 exp per second of hiding nets you 3240 exp, not including placement nor kills, nor revives, etc. etc. To make up for the extra 1000, you'd have a butt load of different combinations that don't involve hiding whatsoever. https://apexlegends.gamepedia.com/Experience check that out to see how everything stacks up. Unsurprisingly damage is the least rewarding because...game design. Also! I'm not certain how the %EXP bonuses you get from the pass work, so the calculations here are done without them.

    3. Once again, the math is a little off, at base for 12 minutes of play you'd receive 2160 exp spread out over 3 sessions. If you're waiting 2 minutes each time between games spread out that's around 1080 exp lost just from not playing alone. If you kill 9 players each match though (which btw, great work), you'd recieve 2430 exp, and the same loss of exp. It's definitely not bad, but understandably it is still a loss. I'm not always waiting two minutes for another match to queue up, but if you are, then obviously playing as long as possible per game is definitely going to be more important than killing everyone in the game. 

    4. No ones saying you're abandoning your team, and the fact you know when to flee and when to fight is pretty good sign that you're not a bad player. Once again, it made me question why you don't acknowledge that good players pick and choose, when you're clearly not a bad player. 

    5. God the stupidity of some of the teammates I've had. I had a guy land us in the middle of literal nowhere, and go AFK for 3 minutes. Dude comes back, runs to me (after I've looted the nearest area) and very loudly whine in voice comms, "You're a loot hog why didn't you save anything for me?" Like...excuse me???


  • @pastaclown wrote:

    Also, "The Cycle" looks good. You play? Is it good?


    I've installed the Cycle 2 days ago and did a few matches in solo-mode!

    YES, they do have solo-mode, duo-mode and quad-mode! (BUT IT'S EARLY ACCESS)

    It's always 20 players so 10 duos or 5 quads compete against each other.
    Aaaaand, you can team up in solo-mode and build a duo,too!
    But both players lose their shields to make it fair for the single players.

    Instead of looting weapons, you run arround and harvest gas and minerals and complete other quests to gather points.

    In each quest / harvest you need to fight PvE against wild animals, harder quests mean harder animals but more reward.

    In the end you have to go to the center of the map where you have to fight some animals to get to the dropship.

    The whole time of course you can attack other players, too.

    You also can take over their gas-extractors or captured beacons for the information-quest.
    Of course there is a fight for the drop ship, too!

    You get cash from killed animals and other stuff you find.
    During the whole match you can buy weapons and gadgets from a predifined list you can define for youself.

    So far I can say, the endfight for the dropship is a huge drawback.
    You have to enter an eroded Vulcano, which just has 2 entries.
    Of course one team allready guards this position to kill all arriving players.

    It would be much better with a random position on the map,

    since some characters can place gunturrets what makes a great defence!

    Also your predefined list of weapons and gadgets needs to be researched first.

    You can't build every weapon right from the start.
    So players who play longer have better weapons...


    one more funfact: they also use easy anti cheat 😞

  • ColdHours's avatar
    ColdHours
    6 years ago

    All I want is for 2k/TRS to resurrect Evolve. I miss that game so much.

  • @ColdHours Evolve was my JAM, I LOVED THAT GAME. My favorite character was the lady in the mech with the powerfist thingy, something something more damage each consecutive hit. Favorite monster was the meteor goliath (the blue one I think?). Extra burn damage was so much fun. 

  • ColdHours's avatar
    ColdHours
    6 years ago

    @pastaclown  Oh, you mean Lennox. Yeah she was cool. Sunny was the one I liked playing. As for monsters it was the Behemoth.

    Fun fact: You can still play it. Just not against people in multiplayer. But you can solo it against bots or on p2p with friends. Just found this out today.

    Loaded it up to see and it works! It's wonderful seeing it and all my elite skin unlocks as well as other cosmetics. However if you deleted it, then you cannot download it or get any of the progress back.

    I'm definitely going to play it tomorrow and relive the nostalgia.

  • And again brainless dogs running alone into the enemy....

    Then they cry "where are you??? WTF YOU DO?"

    Yeah... I was 1 km behind them just going up the jumptower to follow!

    But the dogs can't wait 10 seconds! NO! they have to attack as soon as possible...

    STUPID STUPID STUPID....

    USE THE MINIMAP DOGS!
    Calm down and regroup before attacking....

    JUST FRAGGREEDY LOOSERS RUN ALONE INTO A SQUAD!

    Well I could have run into the enemy, too, to start a useless rescue action, but the first dog that died left the game.

    So I decided to win the match instead...

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