Role Queue in Apex

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@hayhor wrote:

Definately do not want this. Just fix Horizon and Seer while adding an alternative legend for Valk. And create more defensive legends areas where they shine instead of taking them away.

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Yeah, I have seen the Horizon's team no longer makes any noise after the lift bug, but I know the second I started abusing it I would get hit with a suspension. That needs to be fixed. And Seer still has way too much wall hack. I have been thinking maybe his heartbeat sensor needs to be a shorter range (30 yards? Maybe as short as 20?) and just 360 degrees. He knows when enemies come near, if not sure which way (still acts as a warning in closed spaces).

I still say Valk needs to have all the recon parts removed (she's an attacker, let's be honest) and I am starting to think her only "flight" should be the Ult. The passive should be swapped for a "pilot mobility pack training" where she jumps higher, can double jump (but not overall as high as Octane's Jump Pads) and maybe even bring back wall run. Then no more need for that fuel gauge BS. Also, would make more sense cause the wings are not long enough to fly at the slow speed she does. It would make sense that it works like a Pilot Mobility pack though.

Also, they could extend that passive idea to other attackers that it makes sense has pilot training. Like Ash (replace the seeing death boxes on map with it, but leave the data knife for when you find one) and maybe Wraith (so she has at least half a passive that works for players on higher pings rather than the current: "BANG!" {shield cracked} "Move, a shooter!" voiceline late thing).

@KyldenarI think valks passive just needs to go to her tactical ability. It would work the same with fuel and all. She just loses rockets. But then what's her passive?

Seer just needs full on deletion. 

@hayhorThat would be a nightmare to relearn her movement.

The rockets are a good tactical. The only reason they can be oppressive is being able to aim from the air (over cover) and that people are unable/unwilling to move out of the clear red circles (like playing Guild Wars 2... ). Change the passive like I said and they become a little less useful and harder to aim.

Sadly, they will never delete Seer, so our best bet is suggesting ways to reign in the wallhack meta. I am hoping Catalyst is the start (and that maybe Crypto gets another balance pass this season to be "Off the Grid").

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@hayhor wrote:
@KyldenarI shouldn't have to play a certain legend to counter constant wall hacks tho.🤨

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thats why guns are nerfed. real guns kill you one shot but in games they cant do that thats illogical.

if my hero i like to play always kills your hero thats fair you have a team dont run out and tackle my team you will die. play as a team and you might win.

everything being fair leads to bad teams.