Season 16 Comeback
Respawn pulled the rabbit out of their hat on this season. I know there is no new legend, but the servers are not lagging, the matches are starting up fast, and today they have 3 maps in rotation! ...
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@Xubunnytwo
"Ratting is more difficult now, with the new recon classes pinging you. I am not saying it is impossible to find a spot to hide, just very hard. Getting pinged is almost as bad as using the skill as it points out where you got pinged from. Oh look there is a team over there pinging us! So be careful recon."
Not to worry. In my lobbies people are either too inexperienced or just plain too lazy to use the ability.
"I have to say, my experience in the last 24 hours has been all positive."
Glad to hear it's going well for you, and I genuinely hope others share your experience. What I was really hoping for was some kind of substantive changes to matchmaking, and they may well still come... but they're no where in sight for the moment.
And don't worry. If you really start to miss your arenas afks and quitters then you can just jump into a round of TDM. As dysfunctional as any arena shooter I ever played.
"Ratting is more difficult now, with the new recon classes pinging you. I am not saying it is impossible to find a spot to hide, just very hard. Getting pinged is almost as bad as using the skill as it points out where you got pinged from. Oh look there is a team over there pinging us! So be careful recon."
Not to worry. In my lobbies people are either too inexperienced or just plain too lazy to use the ability.
"I have to say, my experience in the last 24 hours has been all positive."
Glad to hear it's going well for you, and I genuinely hope others share your experience. What I was really hoping for was some kind of substantive changes to matchmaking, and they may well still come... but they're no where in sight for the moment.
And don't worry. If you really start to miss your arenas afks and quitters then you can just jump into a round of TDM. As dysfunctional as any arena shooter I ever played.
Today my resident PS player (TS) and I attempted one round of TDM. He and I both agreed about the following and what Respawn can do to improve it.
Fifty (50 kills) points per 6 player team is too high, needs to be 3 kills per person, we recommend 18 at most to shorten the time needed for the win. This change alone would make it playable.
There is nothing they can do about intolerant players. Our match started with the other team having the high ground on the map, thus our team was fish in a barrel. We were being picked off by 3 members up on high. By the time they were +12 in score, members on our team was quitting. TS had killed 7, the only other player standing got 3, and I had zero. Spawning other people into our team to replace quitters, only had them quit as they can see the score. I sure can't blame them for the enter and fast exit, but that is not my style.
Meanwhile the opposing team also had its share of quitters. Why? The win was taking too long. Just because we know we are losing, doesn't mean we roll over and let you rub our tummies. Good communication between TS and myself made for a force to reckon with and there are players who desire to win and move on. Decreasing the win score will improve TDM greatly.
I hope someone at Respawn gets the memo.
@reconzero we were on WE and found a person playing a solo Bangalore ratting in a cliff wall. TS shot them and said it was odd, because they killed the other teams in the area. I assume they were forced to go AFK for real world issues. I was playing Crypto and we could see the beacons, I would scan just before leaving the area. If we got scanned, we avoided moving directly toward the beacon, I would flank right and TS flanked left.
As for TDM quitters issue, the best I could think of would be a penalty box (5 mins) for manual quits. Then immediate replacement of the quitter with a decent AI while they seek a replacement. This would grant the team some support while the new member spawns. Maybe also hide the score from them for 3 minutes to assure they stick around to help.
Firing Range changes are nice, you can make the dummies moving targets. I also did the catwalk thing to make them attack me. I don't know why Respawn still insist we do the catwalk to make them hostile. I am certain most people here know about the catwalk trick... however;
- @Xubunnytwo
"As for TDM quitters issue, the best I could think of would be a penalty box (5 mins) for manual quits. Then immediate replacement of the quitter with a decent AI while they seek a replacement. This would grant the team some support while the new member spawns. Maybe also hide the score from them for 3 minutes to assure they stick around to help."
If they try a quit penalty there are several things that may happen. First and most likely, people will simply put the controller down and physically walk away for whatever amount of time needs to pass before the match expires. If they try an afk ban then people will put a rubberband around a thumbstick... and walk away for whatever amount of time needs to pass before the match expires. In my experience there is no way on earth that punishments create able and motivated teammates. These players are already being punished by what they will perceive, rightly or wrongly, as cheating or by very, very bad matchmaking. So "let the beatings commence until morale improves" is throwing gas on the fire, not water.
Replacing with decent AI has a few problems. First, I haven't seen anything in this game to date that would pass for decent AI. I haven't even really seen it in other games, though Halo's new bots are, in some ways, adequate. Even so, drop those in and see how fast the winning squad gets kvetchy.
Then: go ahead and try hiding the scoreboard from any player at any time for any reason. Instaquit. I guarantee it. And honestly, a player joining mid-match already knows exactly why they're there whether they can see numerical evidence or not.
The problem across the board is that players are looking for balance, fairness, and equity in their matches. In battle royale it can often take a lengthy amount of time to determine if any of those qualities are present in the match. Sometimes you don't know until there are only two squads left, and sometimes not even then. The game-killing flaw with TDM is that players know almost instantaneously if those qualities are present. And they react accordingly. And in my experience human psychology doesn't really allow for a bad situation to be remedied with punishment. Two wrongs don't really make a right, so to speak. Paid games used to be able to get away with it because they already had players' money. In an unranked playlist in a free-to-play game I have to think it's a non-starter.
This is why, imo, tdm is a dead format in any game.It is my understanding TDM is something of a trial basis and it will be replaced with something else in the near future? As I stated before, addressing the intolerant player issue, they can't patch these players. My friend and I will pop on later today for BRs to get the daily done and a treasure pack. I stick around for him to complete the event challenges, we both play about 2 hours on average and call it quits. I don't see TDM being any appeal to us either. I am only postulating what might be done to make it somewhat better. While we may not dig it, others will hate it, and apparently there are some who love it.
