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@Koochi-Q wrote:
@WingmannedbroThats when you drink it in higher concentration. Drink it in a small amount and it’s an upper.
That’s the reason why you start becoming more energetic after one glass of wine or pint of beer (susceptibility in place of course). Afterwards it constricts the blood vessels which gives the ‘I’m hot’ feeling which makes dumb ppl stand in the cold with no sweater.
That is not even slightly true at all.
Alcohol increases GABA neurotransmitter production which which pacifies nerve cells from all three of the branches of the central nervous system, motoric nerves, sensory nerves and also the nerves that regulate core body features like regulating blood pressure and body temperatures.
I dunno if you're just making this up on the spot or whether someone told you that alcohol in any amount is an upper or improves cognition. But it is established science beyond the shadow of a doubt that it does not.
Law is crafted in light of those realities.
Easier quote is just from here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/you-illuminated/201006/your-brain-alcohol%3Famp
@apostolateofDOOM lolz nice one! I like science-y talk!
- 6 years ago
@Koochi-Q wrote:
@WingmannedbroRead the book: Drugs & Alcohol: gebruik, misbruik en verslaving. It’s in your native tongue since a dutch buddy quoted a couple of things to me, then report back to me. Half of that book is about alcohol alone if I remember correctly.
Easier quote is just from here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/you-illuminated/201006/your-brain-alcohol%3Famp
@apostolateofDOOMlolz nice one! I like science-y talk!Your source lists some researchers findings of elevated levels of Norepinephrine. This is not basis to call alcohol an upper since Norepinephrine levels frankly have nothing to do with the classification "upper" or "downer".
When talking about drugs, this two groups are selected on the sole criteria whether or the drug in question increases or simulates or decreases GABA.
Also, your source does not list the research he refers.
Here's a bit to read:
"(GABAA) receptors appear to occupy a central role in mediating the effects of ethanol in the CNS. GABA is the primary inhibitory neurotransmitter in the mammalian CNS, and activation of GABAA receptors by GABA tends to decrease neuronal excitability. This article reviews several aspects of GABAA receptor and ethanol interactions, including the evidence for short- and long-term modulation of GABAA receptors by ethanol and evidence for a GABAA receptor-related genetic component of alcoholism."
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC165791/
- 6 years ago@Wingmannedbro Unfortunately my neurology is rusty, but the neurotransmitter GABA levels increasing or decreasing doesn’t take away that slight levels of alcohol increases your energy and makes you more aware as a result, so it may not be an ‘upper’ in the traditional sense, but it is an upper in the sense that it raises energy.
Just like energy drinks or high levels of sugar first make you more alert and energetic and afterwards the sugar crash begins.
But like I said, read the book. It’s likely available at every university that has psychology courses in your country (probably an updated version). It’s riddled with evidence backed studies since it not only focuses on psychology, but also neurology and physiology.- 6 years ago
I think you mostly misunderstood what you read tho, the man is a psychologist and discusses drinking behavior and circumstantial factors. Particularly in young people this is often at parties and nights out in the weekend, and in the company of friends and/or romantic partners.
Those settings alone will trigger natural production of stimulants, such as norepinephrine which is mentioned. Yet none of those are attributed to the ethanol molecule.
Psychology is not a source on medical science.
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