The bow is a rifle which makes no sound

I btw watched Lulu yesterday, she (and her teammates) did not exactly have a positive attitude towards the bow. According to her the playtesters had told Respawn it was op and needed nerfing, so she was quite surprised they had just ignored it. Watching her games did not exactly make me wanna go play Apex until it has been nerfed.

We don't, but then why do we need abilities either? It's simply a feature that's been added.

Vast numbers of people have complained about weapon volume and how they're always being third partied because of it, the bowcek is basically the response to that. 

It's quiet audio isn't the issue with the weapon, it's the fact that it's basically hitscan.....which is my only real criticism of the weapon as its ridiculous for a bow to have such arrow velocity. 

It should simply be a risk/reward weapon. 

The Bow will make third party worst. If you think they introduce it because of a third party factor, come on .... lets be real.

What is the chance all 6 people are using exclusively the Bow, so there is no shots fired, and no one heard you ? Exactly zero.

And if you have a decent game sense and positioning knowledge third party should not be a thing.

And the complaining about new weapons was long ago, from that point on we have few new addition, and from that point i didn`t even remember much thread about new weapon.

The weapon pool was fine as it is.

I really don`t see the Bow being balanced at all.

70/120+ damage is ridiculous, but its quite obvious they are trying to lower the TTK of the game, this time with strong damage weapons.

But Bow is super easy to use, super easy to land headshots, and its super easy and powerful on close range, which is ridiculous. Its also a super speedy, and have no reload, and pretty much no drawbacks.

Its insane.

The damage should not be higher than 50/90(or 100 at best). But still it should not be that easy to use/land your shots.

But mark my words this weapon won`t be balanced properly soon. Its either going to be a hit or miss.

Respawn balance is terrible, and always have been.

They need years to make one thing right, and just a day to totally destroy everything they have done previously. :D

@LordloshBang  Like I've said elsewhere bud the bow needs some tweaks that's a given....there is no real solid argument against that. I still maintain that the fact it's quiet really isn't an issue in the grand scheme of things though.

@MandatoryIDtag I think the sound is such a big issue right now simply because of how much damage it does, this is something that would be fixed with the damage being lowered though. I do think a really cool way to fix the 3rd party issue of this weapon for it being silent is to make it so the bullet (arrow) travel is a lot slower and for the arrows to sing while they're traveling so you can hear where the arrow is coming from rather than where the arrow is hitting. It would sound pretty cool too. Right now though it sounds like the arrows are being shot on you at all times (even if they're being shot at someone pretty far away from you) so maybe its an audio bug like Valks tactical but either way the audio needs reworking, it would be less of an issue once this weapon doesnt do kraber DPS anymore.

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@MandatoryIDtag wrote:

@LordloshBang  Like I've said elsewhere bud the bow needs some tweaks that's a given....there is no real solid argument against that. I still maintain that the fact it's quiet really isn't an issue in the grand scheme of things though.

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While may look fun, and be fun when using it, silent weapons are not a good thing at all in BR. We are talking about a huge Open World Map with 60 players on it, where you can get shot from every single angle on the map. This ain`t a CS:GO - small linear map with fixed objects, and to pre-aim/peek every angle, and the moment you get hit to know from where exactly you are getting shot, and to expect/know every position of a enemy player without even seen it.

And still even the weapons with silencer at CS:GO can be heard perfectly.

And mark my words, this weapon are not going to be balanced properly. They either its going to kill it, or it will stay broken.

They needed like 6 months to toon down Mastiff legend, and they have done it by the worst possible way, and not balance it properly and what was the problem, aka the huge spread/radius of its shots and the range of it.

They are balancing team are terrible. 

PK atm is also not balanced properly. 

But they want this weapons to be powerful, so they can sell their pricey skins.

The last thing the game needed was this.

The game is like 2 years old, for that time, the only real balanced weapon pool was in Season 8.

And btw some people were saying about the skill and that you need a great aim to be good with this weapon, which is entirely untrue.

You need average aim, or to be on controller and the aim assist will do the work for you ....

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@Oyasumlpunpun wrote:

@MandatoryIDtag I think the sound is such a big issue right now simply because of how much damage it does, this is something that would be fixed with the damage being lowered though. I do think a really cool way to fix the 3rd party issue of this weapon for it being silent is to make it so the bullet (arrow) travel is a lot slower and for the arrows to sing while they're traveling so you can hear where the arrow is coming from rather than where the arrow is hitting. It would sound pretty cool too. Right now though it sounds like the arrows are being shot on you at all times (even if they're being shot at someone pretty far away from you) so maybe its an audio bug like Valks tactical but either way the audio needs reworking, it would be less of an issue once this weapon doesnt do kraber DPS anymore.

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I can hear where it's coming from in game. You guys just must be having audio issues which I could see since this game does have those.

@hayhorgimmick how? So I take it you don't like it?

@Lord_Scorpion34It is a gimmick in games like this and Warzone. For some reason people like to think because they arent using a gun to kill they are more skilled. Like me with grenades! 😉

Usually tho it isnt a silent fast firing charge rifle like Apex has made it. Warzone they at least made the arrow drop, speed and range realistic. And I'm not a warzone fan so to say they do bows better hurts.

I've barely used it but watching videos it clearly is way too strong.

Imperial thoughts on the Bow:

From 0:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCll1A24OKo

What to say .... Respawn ....

It was obvious. But the $$$$$ is coming big time.

I'm sorry I nearly do not care at all what pro's say.

Look, if you're so good at aiming that you might as well be using an aimbot, then yeah, certain weapons are OP.

But nobody here should be lying to themselves or to anyone else thinking they land shots like a pro, because they don't.

Listening to pros is what has Wattson be 'OP'.  Meanwhile she's one of the least chosen characters in the game.  Meanwhile Octane isn't overpowered at all but chosen all the time by players, often because they want to just ignore the team and do what they want.

Weapons, and characters, are made for the game public and the pros will play whatever game exists...you know...because they make money doing it. If they think the bow is OP it could be, but I'm not going to take my queues from people who find a way to land 2 arrows with every single shot both into your eyes.  Because they're not in my games nor will they ever be. 🙂

You know what? I stand corrected.. MAKE EVERY GUN THE ALTERNATOR AND ALSO NERF IT.  Then everyone can feel better about life.  Even though they'll surely start complaining their alternator isn't as powerful as the enemy's and hacks and etc. etc. etc.

@KelRiever The bow is pretty much a hitscan weapon, if you're missing with it then you're hot garbage at the game, especially on console with the auto aim that comes from controller play. The weapon has DPS potential HIGHER than the kraber. Your opinion doesnt matter at that point, the weapon is busted.

I uh, heh...right.  Hitscan and auto aim, I kind of have to dismiss this retort.

If you can hit things in the game automatically all the time, you'll win with a P2020

@hayhor They do have auto aim, its not even up for debate, you can name it what you want, aim assist, aim adjustment or w/e. If it moves your camera 90 degrees without touching your stick (which it does) then its automatically aiming. Controller users can cry all they want but they need auto aim to play the game, its just like how controller users cry about not being able to use movement tech when they can, its a joke. 

@KelRiever dismiss my "retort" all you want, i stated the facts of the matter and if you want to remain ignorant on the manner than thats on you, the bow is busted and literally anyone can pick it up and instantly kill someone with it with no issues unless they're a literal bot that cant even get a single hit with an automatic weapon against someone who's in their face. Its probably the most accurate weapon hipfire right now, it has the highest DPS, even over the kraber and it has the fastest bullet (arrow) travel. But yeah, proceed to dismiss these things.

@Oyasumlpunpun Sorry, opinions are not facts of the matter.

Here, I'll prove you wrong:  You said 'anyone' can pick up the bow and instantly kill someone with it.

So, you can't, if you pick up the bow and never fire it.  Or purposely miss every shot.

It's hyperbole but the point is calm the F down, I get your point, I happen to disagree with it.  Your point is not facts and neither you or I are ignorant.

My advice, seriously, is if you think it's broke so much then use it.  Use it and kill people with it until it is changed.  That would certainly make you the better player both in aim, and then being smart enough to use the broke thing until it is changed.  I'm just going to dismiss the point not because it's personal to you, it's not you shouldn't take it that way.  But dismiss it on my point of view that if you can aim it, and kill people with it, and it's broke, you really should be using it right now since there's very little control anyone here has as to what is in the game.  Hopefully, then if I were you, it would be changed.  Until then, plink away and listen to your enemies scream about how it was the bow which killed them and not you.

I'm pretty sure as you shoot them through the face with the bow though, you won't be giving the bow all the credit for your kill 🙂

@hayhor Have you ever tested it yourself or are you talking with a lack of knowledge? i've seen it first hand, i've done full on testing with it. The crosshair will follow people without you touching the stick at all, so much so that it moves your camera 90 degrees. This can easily be seen if you hotdrop next to people and the camera chooses to follow those people. It happens on xbox too so no, this cant be blamed on "modders" since those dont exist there. Keep lying yourself about it not existing though. 

@KelRiever Everytime i kill someone with the bow i get annoyed at how broken the bow is BECAUSE of how broken it is, i play games to get better at them skill wise and not to use crutches to do so. I really dislike how you can oneshot more than one person with ease in early game with it all while having no repercussions(how fast the arrows are, no reload, how many arrows you can hold and so on). Even if you arent getting headshots, you 3shot people with red armour in a matter of seconds. So no, when i get kills with that weapon i blame the bow for those kills, not my skill. Also, the stuff i stated about the damage being comparable to a kraber and how fast the arrows shoot making it damn near hitscan are not opinions. This is literally how the game mechanics work. To state otherwise is ignorant. Im not trying to attack you by saying so, im stating such because ignoring things that are objective facts only makes the problem with the weapon a bigger issue, one that might not get fixed if treated like it doesnt exist. 

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@hayhor wrote:

@Lord_Scorpion34It is a gimmick in games like this and Warzone. For some reason people like to think because they arent using a gun to kill they are more skilled. Like me with grenades! 😉

Usually tho it isnt a silent fast firing charge rifle like Apex has made it. Warzone they at least made the arrow drop, speed and range realistic. And I'm not a warzone fan so to say they do bows better hurts.

I've barely used it but watching videos it clearly is way too strong.

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Have you played Horizon Zero Dawn? The arrow physics are very similar compared to that. It takes a little skill cuz I've had a lot of people miss me using it. I feel like it takes more than what a wingman would. But I wouldn't use the bow for CQ unless I had to.

@Oyasumlpunpun  Lol at this console aim assist crap.

To clarify I HAVE tested it. It slows movement slightly when close to a target. It will snap as you said but only if you're aiming at kneecaps....and frankly anybody aiming at kneecaps needs to work on their aim lol.

Aim assist also creates issues when fighting multiple enemies crossing each others paths as it will often work against you end up dragging your aim into thin air whilst said enemies delete you.

It's also far less effective st range, it's more of a close range benefit, which is why m&k is superior at long range.

@MandatoryIDtag While i havent seen the kneecaps thing(i've seen a lot of tracking when aiming at the face/body) I do agree personally that the aim assist is beyond annoying to use because of how it takes control away from you but i was a free aim player in other games when i played games competitively on 360-xbone so it was naturally annoying to me. There are some players that are able to abuse the hell out of the aim assist/auto aim mechanics though, pro players use controllers to exploit it, a good example would be NIRU who has stated out right that controllers would be crap without it. Theres things that controllers can do that are insane though like being able to track people through smoke and track real mirages when they ult with the aim assist, over all i will always stand by the fact that controller aim assist needs to be turned off in PC lobbies at the very least.  (Some NIRU content for an example of high tier controller play on PC: https://youtu.be/bqiZSgtV9LE )

At least it’s fair if you hate it @Oyasumlpunpun

but I’d really just sum this up as a bow nerf versus other guns do more damage arguement.

Me, I hate how little the guns do in this game.  There are a few dangerous weapons and the rest turn into garbage.  People blame the weapons around here thinking the less the base damage is, somehow the better there will be.  Sure not all arguements but the vast majority I see.

id really prefer more guns get a damage boost rather that nerf the few good ones.  Especially in a game where your friends can pick you up again.  The game is too soft, IMO