@MyCanklesHurt wrote:We pay we say.
Yes its a F2P game, yes i dont have to spend anything on it if i dont want to and I haven't nor will i ever until they add solo. I leave matches as soon as die too and once they implement a penalty for that then i uninstall the game and I'll become another statistic for the decline of Apex.
But if people dont get their solo mode they wont spend a nickel on this game. This game a drastically lost it playerbase, how much of that was becauae they said they aren't going to add a solo mode? It would be wise for EA/respawn to listen to whats left of their playerbase especially since EA likes money.
How can you be so indignant about content when you don't support Apex financially? ๐ค
What you should really do is contact Respawn's financial director and ask him how much it would cost to develop a solo mode. :ealight_bulk:
Then you and all the others who are desperate for solo mode can fund it yourselves. ๐
On your point about the player base leaving. Game producers who make F2P games know that there is a core of players who will pay for things in game via season pass and micro transactions. It's like a fishing boat trawling for fish. They cast their nets, and when they pull them in they have lots of their primary catch, plus a lot of other stuff which they toss back into the sea. ๐
@warslag i would support this game financially IF they add a solo mode. If im not playing with friends my round last all of 1 min after i land because ever random thinks hes * shroud and drops at skulltown or where ever the hot drop is.
If they ever add a leavers penalty they are going to drive more of their player base away, and then soon you'll be matched with the same groups of people over and over again.
Respawn better smarten up soon, they refuse to add a solo mode and they cant/wont deal with the rampant hackers/cheaters that plauge this game, it's recipe to lose majority of your playerbase that does support your game.
@MyCanklesHurt Apex generates income from Battle Pass and micro-transactions. Why would respawn develop a game mode for players who don't buy anything, and who are always saying they are going to quit?
I, on the other hand, do enjoy squads, I do have the Battle Pass, and the longer I play Apex the more I will spend on the game.
Tell me, which of us do you think they will develop content for?
Now, I'm not saying I'm totally against solo mode. But I am against the reasons given for having it by the desperate-for-solo-mode crowd. If you could give some good reasons for it that would be different. But bleating about quitting, boycotting, not spending money etc. comes across as militant and I don't like that. Those aren't good reasons for a game mode.
@warslag ok so, you like squads and because of that, you like to spend money on it
Is it really so far fetched for you that some people, do not like squads and would more prefer a solo mode, so they like you can enjoy the game and then because of that, spend money on it?
I know, tough concept...
People leaving the game, is doing noone any good, people will quit at some point when it stops being fun for them, I mean when the game is dead and you spend 500$ on your account and it takes 15 minutes to find a squad, will you still be enjoying yourself?
And before you say, oh that won't happen! Look up Dust 514, My most beloved FPS game ever, they shut it down when the player base dropped below 5000 players, the game was too hard for new people to enjoy, they basically got the butts kicked by Proto Stompers (people in high level gear) like lets say you have been played Apex for 2 years and you have 1200 HP and new people have 200 HP (best way I can describe power creep)
Some people like squads, some people like duo's and some people prefer solo's...its not hard to imagine that.
Why should they add solo's, because it will sell more battle passes and you and me, get higher quality team mates in our squad mode, because we wont be forced to que up with people that don't want to play together with me and you.
basically, people who que squads, will play squads and we won't have shroud wanabee's that die 15 seconds into the game and leave us hanging.
Good enough a reason?
@warslag ok so, you like squads and because of that, you like to spend money on it
Is it really so far fetched for you that some people, do not like squads and would more prefer a solo mode, so they like you can enjoy the game and then because of that, spend money on it?
I know, tough concept...
People leaving the game, is doing noone any good, people will quit at some point when it stops being fun for them, I mean when the game is dead and you spend 500$ on your account and it takes 15 minutes to find a squad, will you still be enjoying yourself?
And before you say, oh that won't happen! Look up Dust 514, My most beloved FPS game ever, they shut it down when the player base dropped below 5000 players, the game was too hard for new people to enjoy, they basically got the butts kicked by Proto Stompers (people in high level gear) like lets say you have been played Apex for 2 years and you have 1200 HP and new people have 200 HP (best way I can describe power creep)
Some people like squads, some people like duo's and some people prefer solo's...its not hard to imagine that.
Why should they add solo's, because it will sell more battle passes and you and me, get higher quality team mates in our squad mode, because we wont be forced to que up with people that don't want to play together with me and you.
basically, people who que squads, will play squads and we won't have shroud wanabee's that die 15 seconds into the game and leave us hanging.
Good enough a reason?
@warslag ok so, you like squads and because of that, you like to spend money on it
Is it really so far fetched for you that some people, do not like squads and would more prefer a solo mode, so they like you can enjoy the game and then because of that, spend money on it?
I know, tough concept...
People leaving the game, is doing noone any good, people will quit at some point when it stops being fun for them, I mean when the game is dead and you spend 500$ on your account and it takes 15 minutes to find a squad, will you still be enjoying yourself?
And before you say, oh that won't happen! Look up Dust 514, My most beloved FPS game ever, they shut it down when the player base dropped below 5000 players, the game was too hard for new people to enjoy, they basically got the butts kicked by Proto Stompers (people in high level gear) like lets say you have been played Apex for 2 years and you have 1200 HP and new people have 200 HP (best way I can describe power creep)
Some people like squads, some people like duo's and some people prefer solo's...its not hard to imagine that.
Why should they add solo's, because it will sell more battle passes and you and me, get higher quality team mates in our squad mode, because we wont be forced to que up with people that don't want to play together with me and you.
basically, people who que squads, will play squads and we won't have shroud wanabee's that die 15 seconds into the game and leave us hanging.
Good enough a reason?
@warslag i said i wont buy anything until they add solo, once they add solo I'll by the battlepass and even some apex coins, maybe a lot who knows, i play World of tanks and have spent over $700 on the game, why? Because they add stuff i want, until then i wont support Apex.
Adding solos isn't going to harm the game in anyway what so ever, its extra content how is extra content a bad thing? It will bring back those people that quit because there wasnt a solo mode and guess what? They'll spend $$ on the game too.
Look at the posts of people getting annyoed because the random(s) they were playing with quit on them because they went down right away, not a high enough level for their standard, didnt get their legend.
Who does that affect? Not the person qutting the match thats for sure, they will be in another match long before their original squad dies. Add solo would help alleviate this problem too, im not saying it will fix it out right, just help.
@MyCanklesHurt If you haven't bought any stuff then why should they develop the content you want? And who would base their business model on the promises of a complete stranger on an internet gaming forum?
Like I said, I'm not against solo mode. But I'm happy with squads. So what arguments in favour of solo mode do you have?
Threatening to quit or to not spend money comes across as blackmail. Also, it's easy to avoid players who get on your nerves by making friends.
My wallet, the one thing EA cares about more than what customer satisfaction. I can keep playing this game for free, they wont receive a single nickel from me.
@MyCanklesHurt wrote:My wallet, the one thing EA cares about more than what customer satisfaction. I can keep playing this game for free, they wont receive a single nickel from me.
So if EA only cares about your money, and you're not spending any money, then why would EA or Respawn care about what you want?
I could understand them marketing and promoting their products to people. But to develop content, in a game that is based on people spending money on the Battle Pass and micro-transactions, for those who aren't spending and who are saying they will quit and boycott etc. - basically people who say they don't like the game - why would they do that?
Why would they develop content to solve a problem in squads that can be fixed by adding friends and making adding friends easier?
Lots of people are happy and enjoying Apex and spending money. Why would the developers completely diverge into a game mode that the refusing-to-spend-money brigade want?
Just a new map would probably please a lot of people.
Again, I'm not averse to solo mode, but I just don't feel it's necessary and you haven't explained why you think it is necessary in a way that is at all convincing.
Because any point we make in favor of adding solo mode someone will come argue it with 'find friends'.
Some people cant make friends and some dont want to make friends for whatever reason, and because of that respawn is basically saying we dont care about that % of players.
A couple of post ago i said adding solos would help with the constant leavers that are rampaging through the game right now instead of adding a penalty but clearly thats not good enough for you.
@warslag , this is a easy response, "It makes the game friendly user all around. This makes it friendly to solos and groups." I would like the option to chose solo when friends aren't on, or group mode when friends are on. The one thing I don't like, when friends aren't on, is players intentionally leaving, players that grab everything and go out on their own, players that intentionally try to hot drop the team, and players who shoot randomly all over the place to intentionally draw attention. There are other issues but those aren't worth bringing up.
I'm not with or against solos, I'm not with or against groups. It all depends on the situation.
@MyCanklesHurt I don't think players leaving squad matches is a good justification for solo mode. There must surely be a simpler, and more cost-effective, way of dealing with that, rather than developing an entirely new and not particularly compatible game mode.
Anyway, I doubt the development of a solo mode depends on all of us arguing about it on the forums. It could be that Respawn have been working on it for all we know.
But, based on what I've read about solo mode, I'm not convinced it's necessary. I like Apex squads, even if there are some quirks that need ironing out. I would really like to see what is an obviously very slick development team put their efforts into matching what we have already for quality. Rather than a half-baked appeasement in the form of a pretty unfriendly and unnecessary game mode.
But who knows, perhaps they think that's a shrewd move.
@warslag wrote:@MyCanklesHurt I don't think players leaving squad matches is a good justification for solo mode. There must surely be a simpler, and more cost-effective, way of dealing with that, rather than developing an entirely new and not particularly compatible game mode.
Anyway, I doubt the development of a solo mode depends on all of us arguing about it on the forums. It could be that Respawn have been working on it for all we know.
But, based on what I've read about solo mode, I'm not convinced it's necessary. I like Apex squads, even if there are some quirks that need ironing out. I would really like to see what is an obviously very slick development team put their efforts into matching what we have already for quality. Rather than a half-baked appeasement in the form of a pretty unfriendly and unnecessary game mode.
But who knows, perhaps they think that's a shrewd move.
well of course banning quitters. ranked and unranked queues. skill rated matchmakers... etc...
@EvoCyberNation Well I think it's a bit sad that you are incapable of playing with people other than your friends and that you need a specially designed game mode so you can play on your own. ๐คจ
It makes more sense to implement a good friends system rather than a new game mode. :ealight_bulk:
Btw @warslag , Respawn has already partially coded solos.
1) When your teammates leave you no longer see them on the lower left hand side.
2) When you drop, if your teammates leave, you're solo.
That easily states, "we can make a solo mode." This has nothing to do with cost effectiveness. This has to do with small adjustments in the code. Someone can do it while at work and barley have to do anything. This is an obvious counter response to your response. Not being rude but being honest.
This is a simple fix, an extremely simple fix.
@warslag wrote:it makes more sense to implement a good friends system rather than a new game mode. :ealight_bulk:
You do bring a very solid point! That definitely sounds like a solid plan. ๐ :eahigh_file: ๐
@EvoCyberNation And I'm not being rude, either, when I say I think you're deluded if you believe that solo mode is "partially coded" already based on that scant evidence. ๐
Maybe conspiracy theories should be added to the list of reasons for solo mode. :ealight_bulk:
What next I wonder? Perhaps you've seen a ghost who told you that solo mode should be in Apex? ๐คจ
@warslag ... ๐ค Please talk to my Attorney in law... and just for your information, just because the doctors have me marked as, "special and crazy," doesn't make me special and crazy! ๐ค As for the ghosts, they only visit me at night... They told me that a solo mode will be be added... ๐ฟ
What you posted had me laughing @warslag . You got me (throws hands up as if waiting for the cops)! ๐ :eahigh_file:
@EvoCyberNation wrote:@warslag ... ๐ค Please talk to my Attorney in law... and just for your information, just because the doctors have me marked as, "special and crazy," doesn't make me special and crazy! ๐ค As for the ghosts, they only visit me at night... They told me that a solo mode will be be added... ๐ฟ
What you posted had me laughing @warslag . You got me (throws hands up as if waiting for the cops)! ๐ :eahigh_file:
Oh wow! I didn't expect that reply. I'm glad I made you laugh! ๐
I really hope that you and everyone else has a really enjoyable time in Apex and that everyone gets the sort of new content that they will enjoy. :eahigh_file:
@EvoCyberNation wrote:Btw @warslag , Respawn has already partially coded solos.
1) When your teammates leave you no longer see them on the lower left hand side.
2) When you drop, if your teammates leave, you're solo.
That easily states, "we can make a solo mode." This has nothing to do with cost effectiveness. This has to do with small adjustments in the code. Someone can do it while at work and barley have to do anything. This is an obvious counter response to your response. Not being rude but being honest.
This is a simple fix, an extremely simple fix.
Yep, and solos didn't work they said. Just like the wall running. They tried it but it didn't work.
@warslag ok so, you like squads and because of that, you like to spend money on it
Is it really so far fetched for you that some people, do not like squads and would more prefer a solo mode, so they like you can enjoy the game and then because of that, spend money on it?
I know, tough concept...
People leaving the game, is doing noone any good, people will quit at some point when it stops being fun for them, I mean when the game is dead and you spend 500$ on your account and it takes 15 minutes to find a squad, will you still be enjoying yourself?
And before you say, oh that won't happen! Look up Dust 514, My most beloved FPS game ever, they shut it down when the player base dropped below 5000 players, the game was too hard for new people to enjoy, they basically got the butts kicked by Proto Stompers (people in high level gear) like lets say you have been played Apex for 2 years and you have 1200 HP and new people have 200 HP (best way I can describe power creep)
Some people like squads, some people like duo's and some people prefer solo's...its not hard to imagine that.
Why should they add solo's, because it will sell more battle passes and you and me, get higher quality team mates in our squad mode, because we wont be forced to que up with people that don't want to play together with me and you.
basically, people who que squads, will play squads and we won't have shroud wanabee's that die 15 seconds into the game and leave us hanging.
Good enough a reason?
@IronWolf9k_YT You are basically using the same justifications as before and they are as weak now as they were then.
Why would a developer work on content based on a promise from you, on a forum, that you will spend money if you get solo mode, when you're not spending money already. Plus, you're threatening to quit.
Don't you think they may see the success they had with squads as something to build on? Especially when they have players who spent money on the Battle Pass who obviously enjoy squads.
Do you understand that? It's the we-don't-like-Apex-and-we-don't-spend-money crew. Versus the I-love-Apex squads-and-I-am-already-spending-money crew.
Plus, the argument about teammates who may be a source of frustration is easily countered with a much less development heavy friends feature. Which we have already seen implemented in Apex and which could be developed further.
So no, you're "reasons" - which are not really reasons at all but are rather lame threats - are not good enough at all.
@warslag then i guess I'll keep playing the game, ruining other peoples people's experience all while you fund it for me. Thanks.
