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skullcrusher907's avatar
5 years ago

Why am I going against Apex Predators?

For the past 3-4 months I have been encountering Apex Predators and players far above my skill. It happens every day I play Apex, so often that I can't even keep count. It has started to take away from the fun of the game and competing against players of the same skill set. I was wondering if matchmaking will be fixed or at least improved?

30 Replies

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    5 years ago
    @skullcrusher907 Yes your friends may still encounter high level players alone. That's some part of the randomness built into the sbmm.

    If your friends squad together they will get more difficult lobbies too. For some reason the sbmm weights premades as higher skilled.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk You have damage and kd like the OP and never see masters and preds in your lobbies? What is your win rate?
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    @hayhor

    5% approximately this season, I'm not sure what they are, there may be, but none that I know of.... that i can visibly tell they are pred. Never seen a dive pred tail EVER.

    Also, I do use the streaming anonymity modes... so no luck seeing the name....

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    5 years ago
    @Vdstrk Interesting. There is a short term aspect to the sbmm. After you win a couple matches I'd think youd see a harder lobby. I know I do and my kd is not what yours is tho my win rate is closer to 10%.

    Do you ever play with friends? Surely you see preds then?
  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    @hayhor

    Not sure about it. Hard to tell because random matchmaking. But never seen anyone with more than 2k kills... if displayed.

    Hard to tell because the lack of team mates can actually make people appear stronger than what they are. Say you engage in a fight and both randoms just pull back, you may just feel as if the fight was extremely hard, when in fact the players you were fighting were all focusing you, because you had no more team all of a sudden... so it is very situational...

  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    @hayhor

    "After you win a couple matches I'd think you'd see a harder lobby"

    https://www.eteknix.com/apex-legends-matchmaking-will-pit-cheaters-vs-cheaters/

    and

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/i-dont-really-identify-our-system-as-sbmm-apex-legends-developer-explains-how-sbmm-alogrithm-works-news-esports/

    I am not sure about it. I only see an increase in cheaters if I do well a couple matches.
    Suppose i get couple matches, like 3 or 4 matches with 8-10 kills, after a while I get into lobbies where you have wall hackers, aimbotters etc.
    There may be good players there? I do not know. All I know is that I can hide in the most remote places without moving, no hounds around, and a wraith comes by and shoots me. I could have been ANYWHERE, but they come straight where I am hiding.
    Or, I pick and I'm dead in less than a second, with like 6/7 head-shots.
    That goes on for a bit, like 10 or 15 matches at times even longer, until it goes back to normal up to when I do better again. These matches are usually with stats like 30 to 40 damage and 0 kills.
    I would believe it could be MM adjusting.But the jump is so extreme that it is not normal. Also, the players that kill me have 0 movement, at times they struggle picking up stuff from the boxes, they are under level 100 etc. In practice, I can tell they do not have much experience with the game, but have an abnormal control of the gun, and know exactly where players are. Eventually they get erased by a g7 shooting at 300mph from across the map.  Boring to watch.

    I do report them at times, and others I just let it go, because reports have 0 effects IMO.
    So why does that happen? Because when you kill a few people you get reported. Then you are placed in an observation tank until someone gets around to inspect you. They see you are getting erased, so they move you back with the general population.

  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago
    @hayhor

    Amazing to say the least.
    Today, for the very first time EVER. I had a pred in my team.

    I guess the above were my "last famous words"

    LOL

    I'm happy! 🙂
  • CCbathwater's avatar
    CCbathwater
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    I go against champ squads frequently who have all of the "right" badges and stats, and I'd be okay with that if it wasn't for the fact that my teammates in 8-9/10 games are dumber than snot. And after the game I have to stare at a match report that say that I did 2-3 times as much dmg as they did combined. As Lifeline! And when I get a team now and then where we all do at least +800 dmg then it often results in a win. Even if just me and one teammate do +1000 dmg and the last one 200-400 dmg that's usually good enough to win as well. But the games where I get these teammates are rare, and more often than not it's up to me to constantly clutch or we lose, and it's draining and frustrating. It just can't be right that a sbmm system functions this way.

  • Vdstrk's avatar
    Vdstrk
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago
    @CCbathwater

    Most of the times as long as the player with the least damage is good enough to distract enemies it is a good enough player to have onboard.
    The real issue is when players have no awareness, land late in hot spots, and do not really know how to help each other, and eventually undermine each other.