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Detailed analysis of no-error PC crash: GPU utilisation issue?

After quite a bit of reading and experimentation, I'm pretty sure that the frequent 'no error' crash to desktop that many PC users are experiencing is related to GPU utilisation being maxed out for extended periods. To be clear, this is a problem with Apex and not the user's PC since there is no good reason that 100% GPU load should crash a game as long as temps are fine.

I started getting frequent (every 2nd game, and basically every game that lasted more than 10 minutes) crashes to desktop with no error message after the 15/02 patch. I tried almost every step in the EA community troubleshooting guide, including:

 

  • removed GPU overclock

  • closed MSI Afterburner

  • closed Discord

  • closed every other background program I could including audio utility

  • run in compatibility mode (Win7)

  • run as administrator

  • the Easy Anti Cheat crashing fix listed on the front page

  • updated GPU drivers

  • rolled back GPU drivers to 417.71 which is supposed to be 'known stable'

  • changed NVIDIA control panel settings in line with front page guidance

  • lowered graphics settings in-game in various ways

  • disabled Origin in-game overlay

  • disabled Origin DVR

  • disabled Geforce Experience overlay

  • complete Origin and Apex uninstall and reinstall

None of these had any impact on the number of crashes I was getting. But in desperation I tried one other change: set every graphics setting to off/min, lowered resolution from 1440p to 1080p and capped my fps at 90 using +fps_max launch parameter. This should not be necessary since I'm running an i5-6600k/GTX 1070 system and was getting 80-120 fps on med-high settings before, but I was willing to try anything.

 

Since I took this step the game has not crashed once in about 20 games. I even undid a lot of the steps listed above (e.g. I restored my GPU overclock, ran MSI Afterburner, left all my normal background apps running) and the game was still fine. When looking at Afterburner after I finished playing, I noticed that my GPU utilisation at 1080p/min settings would fluctuate from 40-80 percent rather than staying at 100% the whole time, as it was on 1440p/med-high settings.

 

Importantly, I did manage to make the game crash one time by not using the +fps_max setting in launch parameters. When I looked at my GPU utilisation in Afterburner immediately after the crash I saw that even though I was on 1080p/min settings it was running at 100% all the time because it was trying to push out 144fps.

Under all the scenarios described above my GPU and CPU temps were fine (60-70c), and both my CPU and GPU overclocks are 100% stable in every game, application and even stress tests so I don't believe that's a plausible cause.

 

This conclusion (that the no-error crash is related to extended high GPU utilisation) doesn't allow for a quick fix because it appears to be a problem in the game's code somewhere. But if you are experiencing the same kind of crash I'd recommend getting Afterburner (or HWInfo64 or some other app that can monitor GPU utilisation) and then lowering your settings until your GPU utilisation graph stays below 100% all the time. That may enable you to at least play the game while waiting for Respawn to fix it.


  • @aelix6361 wrote:

     

    This conclusion (that the no-error crash is related to extended high GPU utilisation) doesn't allow for a quick fix because it appears to be a problem in the game's code somewhere. But if you are experiencing the same kind of crash I'd recommend getting Afterburner (or HWInfo64 or some other app that can monitor GPU utilisation) and then lowering your settings until your GPU utilisation graph stays below 100% all the time. That may enable you to at least play the game while waiting for Respawn to fix it.


    Thank you for the analysis on your experience troubleshooting crashes (and the workaround you posted at the end). We'll continue to make sure the teams investigating this are aware of how important this is to the community. 

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  • High GPU and random CPU fluctuations happen throughout the game. This makes the game hard to play at times and even worse for streaming. What is being done about this. Please optimize this game! I have included my DXDiag file. As you can see, I should have no problem running this game, but when I play it, it maxes out my GPU at 99%-100% and then my CPU starts to fluctuate. Please do some thing about this.

  • I wanted to post back here to report your fix suggestions @aelix6361 worked for me, and out of the dozens of things I tried they were the only stable reliable fixes.
     
    1. Roll back your nvidia driver to ver. 417.71 or older.
    2. limit your FPS to 60 to start with, then slowly ramp it up if you feel frisky.
    3. Turn all your in-game video/graphics settings to their absolute lowest, then play and you'll find yourself finally making it through entire matches time after time.
    I Know it sucks lowering your video settings when you have a kick * gaming rig, but it's either that or go back to crashville.
    I haven't had a crash in the past 2 days of playing 2 hours each day.
    Each match I make it through I turn up one of the video settings one notch, then try again, each match ramping up one setting and only one a notch at a time.
    I've left the Texture Filtering low, like 3GB for my cards 8GB potential, as that is one of the biggest tax'ers on a GPU. Also left V-Sync off. Those 2 will be the last I ramp up.
    It's a drag having to hobble my racehorse of a gaming rig, but it's either that or shot it in the head because Apex is a friggin gopher hole minefield to for said horses.
  • Isn't the whole point of a gpu be used for games and give it the 100% ?

    You might have found something , i'll give it a try l8r on, but my gpu is kinda old (AMD Radeon HD 7950) 

    I have some theories about crashing while playing with your friends before but I ended up started crashing while playing alone too (Didn't happen before)

    Game is amazing , dont let it die.

  • Hey man thanks for the tip. As my game would crash in loading screens because of high fps and 100% gpu 2 utilization, I set fps limit to monitor refresh rate of 165. This seems to have fixes it for me. 

  • The issue still exists, I have 1650S on my pc, it crashes when gpu hits 100% in certain locations and the whole pc resets. The issue mostly occurs on Worlds Edge, less on the other two.

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