After the wall of "text" you're again basically saying "It's not important if your CPU works perfectly fine with everything else, just because Apex is crashing it means it's unstable." and "One day ,who knows when, games will start to use codes that crash the game to desktop so better be prepared to bump 1v more into your CPU."
Thx for the explanation and gl in life, you will need it.
you are writing nonsense and again trying to personally attack me, just stay with the facts and bring plausible arguments please.
Everything else has been said/hinted more then 3times now, if you dont want or cant understand it, fine
twisting my words around in some weird self logic no one else can follow wont change anything. You already have lost this discussion.
If you need assistance to understand overclocking, stability or how to avoid apps from crashing please visit forums/boards where you can educate yourself more deeply instead of shitposting here.
For everyone else that had to follow this weird repeating discussion, im sorry just tried to help him.
Ofc everythign has been said 3 times, my OC is 100% stable in everything that I hit it with, but Apex needs to fix their code a bit like they did in the past. Have been OC-ing cpu's for ages and never come across something like this so yeah, not my fault. The whole system is running like a charm, few months ago there was a fresh install of windows and 0 signs of something not working properly.
The only thing you wanted to help is your own ego, but you failed.
your assumption is laughable, and again just insulting, im trying to help you and all you do all day is flaming. You should really learn how to argument/speak with people.
all you have to do is to make sure your OC is AVX stable. If Apex is still crashing while your OC is AVX stable, the game is most likely crashing due to other reasons or even multiple of them, i pointed that out already, if you need an abysmal amount more voltage only to have apex not crashing something else with your system must be wrong. Thats it, nothing to do with my EGO or anything else, you are just not listening/reading.
Its pretty important nowdays to be 100% avx stable, because even if your applications arent crashing, you have a really high chance corrupting your game and OS files, when your overclock isnt stable enough, which can further lead into bigger trouble and can actually even damage your hardware.
If you are so smart, sure and knowledgable, then point out the exact lines in the code that are faulty, so that respawn can easily fix them, you have absolutely no evidence whats so ever that the code is bad/not functioning or anything. How do you justify such a statement at all? Especially when more than 99% of the other users dont have the same problems?
They were patches of intel management engine and microsoft security updates which both needed extra vcore adjustments to reach the same stability compared to the past, so the question is when have you actually last checked for your stability? Have you installed those updates? have you tested your stability before it was warm outside?
When you are overclocking its in your responsibility to maintain your system stable, they will always be changes to how much voltage you need, its just part of maintainance just like cleaning your PC.
In tech support we have a rule of thumb, in most cases, the problem is 10-20inches behind the display.
And once again you ignore the part where I say that stress tests that use AVX instructions and games like Battlefield 5 run perfectly fine. The assumption that Apex is the only measure for AVX stability is laughable...
Ofc I can't tell the exact code, just like you and even the people over at Respawn can't do it sometimes. However they already said it once and the same stufd is happening for 2 years, on ine patch the game is running flawlesly then with some other patch it starts crashing and then again it starts to work again without me not touching a thing or even updating windows.
When it comes to intel/windows updates I haven't once saw the problem of need for more voltage, maybe some minimal amounts and also my system is cold just to eliminate that problem.
And in the end you make an assumption that 99% of players have no problems just to "make a point", just laughable...
i did not make the assumption that apex is any measure for avx stability, i made the assumption that either your stress testing is flawed, or that there are other reasons for your game crashes.
Your statement is that apex needs more voltage than anything else, which is your rabbit hole, and i cant confirm that. By all the time you've wasted arguing that your system is stable you could have easily found the culprit of your crashes by now. You are just very focused on "someone else messed up", "im perfect i dont make mistakes" and "its not my fault". This is an attitude i wouldnt expect from a grown up person and sounds more like an excuse to not further investigate or trying to troubleshoot.
You can tell that very little people have crashing problems by the number of reports of them, if everyone would be crashing left and right, and the code would be inherently flawed it would:
A: Not be possible to fix the crashes by the user
B: have a shitstorm of epic dimensions, with quite a lot of reports in the technical issues board
C: you would see every streamer / youtuber crashing and talking about it.
By the nature of the Internet... you can tell poeple are able to fix their problems, else respawn would be under pressure to hotfix fast.
I would ask you to play the division2 for some hours, see if that is crashing too. BF5 is way to different in stability requirements from Apex Legends to say "yo, im not crashing in bf5 apex must run flawlessly im 100% stable"...
I've been troubleshooting this game for 2 years with different cpu's, my friends (who also have years of experience with overclocking and hw) are doing the same and we ALL have the same problem. We all run difrerent stuff, different games and it all works flawlessly except Apex. Of course I tried to fix it, I basically tried everything and it always comes to the same problem mentioned numerous times. I've done clean windows installs and then overclocked all my stuff one by one and tested it for days, in the end the CPU was always the fault even though I tried to stress it and test it with ton of games and stress tests.
At one point I just gave up because I knew that there is always some patch that just fixes the issue. If everything works fine and Apex works from patch to patch then my conclusion was that the problem is somewere in the game, that was the only logical conclusion. I can try Division 2, but it will probably be the same story like every other game I tested already, it will work just fine.
Not a lot of people are overclocking their systems and even less are writing on the forums so your perception how much people might have the problem is flawed.
well first thing that comes in mind when you say your OC is stable but the game is crashing without error is something stupid like MSI AFTERBURNER conflicting with Easy Anti Cheat, something so stupid that its easy to be overlooked.
So if you are running something like MSI Afterburner make sure to untick "enable low level io driver" (kernel driver) in its settings.
Because its conflicting with Easy Anti Cheat's kernel level drivers.
Also make sure to set the Easy Anti Cheat service to restart when it fails, maybe your game isnt even crashing but your Easy Anti Cheat is, and thats why the game closes itself which is intentional by design btw.
The reason to try division2 is also because its using Easy Anti Cheat too.
Sometimes it can be something easy like that... which gets just overlooked by people quite often.
I remember running the game with AB closed (and stuff like Logitech softeare, Discord,...) in the past just to eliminate those variables, I also tried the thing with Anticheat to make it restart if it fails, but it didn't help.
I can try to adjust Anticheat once again and untick the option in MSI AB because i didn't try that out.
yea also avoid Razer Synapse and Vanguard (riot anticheat) running at the same time. Same problem with them, just conflicting kernel drivers ...
And the usual stuff, disable hardware acceleration in browser/discord/steam etc.
disable any overlays, and try nvidia driver installation without installing experience..
Maybe also disable MPO
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157/~/after-updating-to-nvidia-game-ready-driver-461.09-or-newer%2C-some-desktop-apps
I wasn't posting anything because my game was running perfectly after the patch before one month. The MSI and Anticheat fixes didn't help, but the patch afterwards helped, I was able to turn down my voltage 0.04v.
However after yesterday's patch, I guess the one that fixes people not getting the charm from the EALive event, the game started crashing again and I have to add more voltage once again. Same story every time, one patch is fine, the other suxx. Luckily Season 10 is few days away so maybe they fix their mess there.
Crashing again, too. My experiences are about the same. I've never had crashing after a season update so I'm happy to wait a week.
The problem is in the game 1000% Because:
1) Absolutely all other games (even those that also use AVX) work stably.
2) Many people have this problem when overclocking the CPU, for many years the developers have ignored this problem, they only care about the profit from the game, the opinion of the players or fixing technical problems in the game are of no interest to them at all. It is a fact.
@SpawN1414 wrote:The problem is in the game 1000% Because:
1) Absolutely all other games (even those that also use AVX) work stably.
2) Many people have this problem when overclocking the CPU, for many years the developers have ignored this problem, they only care about the profit from the game, the opinion of the players or fixing technical problems in the game are of no interest to them at all. It is a fact.
Not even when overclocking the CPU. It just crashes in general for a lot of people.
So I have been playing Apex since day 1 on origins and it was fine in the beginning until we got to around season 8 (for me at least) that's when the problems with random crashes to desktop started to happen, I have been looking for a fix since then trying all avenues from BIOS to registry files you name it I've tried it but to no avail. Even switching platforms to Steam didn't work, same issue. So I recently upgraded my entire PC components back in early 2021 but again this still didn't fix the issue, a few days ago I installed a new cpu (Intel I9 11900KF) and this has so far fixed the problem for me. I'm not sure what the issue is other than I can only suggest the game just doesn't like cpu's with integrated graphics, i was previously using an I5 7700K and then an I7 10700K but since switching to a KF chipset it seems to have solved the issue for me at least.
I hope this can give some of you closure on the issue I've been trying to resolve for years, in my opinion its the intel chipsets K series which use integrated graphics along side your graphics card I don't know why but there is clearly a conflict issue. I will note this is the only game in my entire game library that has caused me so much grief as I can play more modern games like Cyberpunk or Warzone on max settings with no issues, not even bottle necking.
EA / Respawn - You seriously need to look into this and communicate with Intel for a solution rather than have your player base do it for you, had the crash to desktop given an error log I may have been able to resolve this much sooner.
