Crossplay improvements in the next Battlefield

It's pretty clear, crossplay between PC and console is an outright plague for console players across many games including Battlefield due to the many disadvantages they have going against PC players.

Some examples of this are:

- Keyboard and mouse input is far superior to controller for FPS

- Superior hardware resulting in higher FPS and lower input delay

- Access to graphical settings and shaders allowing easier spotting

Myself I have both PC and console(PS5) so I can glady state that in my experience PC has way too many advantages vs console.

My PC consists of a 4070ti, 7800x3d with a 240hz OLED gaming monitor with near instant response times. I can run this game at around 200fps on the lowest settings, this combined with mouse and keyboard...

My PS5 simply cannot compare (running on LG C3 120hz TV) with it's 60FPS and analog aiming. Thankfully PS5 with crossplay off I can still find matches, Xbox I'm not sure. I only ever see Xbox players on my PC hardly ever PS5 so I presume Xbox for some reason is stuck with being forced with crossplay on.

Now I understand this is probably comparing the extreme end of PC vs console regarding hardware and the majority of PC users aren't running such hardware, but my guess the vast majority are using hardware capable of running 2042 much higher than 60FPS.

For the next Battlefield, make it console vs console, pool in console players with PC when they group up with PC players.

Games that do this are:

- Apex Legends

- Overwatch

- PUBG

- Hell Let Loose

- The Finals

- Destiny 2 (PvP)

This is what's fair and this is what's going to help keep console players playing this game rather than simply leaving because they have to choose from long qué times or play at a disadvantage vs PC players.

Console players should not have to suffer and fill up matches for PC players, that is the only logical reason I can think of as to why console and PC is automatically pooled together. It's not their issue and they should not be treated as the fix.

It is ruining their experience and sadly most likely bleeding you players, make Battlefield a fair and fun experience for all.

discussion

31 Replies

Adamonic
2 years ago
They need MnK support for Console players. Then have the lobbies be input-based and not tied to a platform.
With 45Hz servers, anything beyond 60fps actually hurts you as you are time-nudged to hell (with a fast connection).

As a PC player, I would rather not play against console players, but without a Server Browser, I am stuck in the MM lobbies.
AJ_Clickz
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
@Adamonic wrote:
They need MnK support for Console players. Then have the lobbies be input-based and not tied to a platform.
With 45Hz servers, anything beyond 60fps actually hurts you as you are time-nudged to hell (with a fast connection).

As a PC player, I would rather not play against console players, but without a Server Browser, I am stuck in the MM lobbies.
Input based lobbies is still not the solution, PC will still have the advantage of higher FPS, quicker response times and lowered graphical infidelity making visibility easier.
Forced console pairing with PC should not be a thing, period.
EDIT: I understand Xbox and PS can turn off crossplay, but there are issues getting into lobbies. This is most likely due to crossplay automatically being on and people simply quitting the game because they either have to choose between playing with PC or having no lobbies.
Console vs console, then being pooled into PC lobbies when playing with PC friends is a solution that must be implemented in the next Battlefield if they don't want to ruin and drive away console players.
This is an issue on many other games, DICE take the correct steps and make the next Battlefield fair and fun for everyone.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@AJ_Clickz What a weird post...

You have a very nice PC, but you're complaining about Console? Why aren't you just playing on PC then? I'm confused about your motive with this post.

Crossplay is trash. If anything, Consoles get some sort of an advantage regarding the network. Like you say, I also have a pretty nice rig with low latency peripherals, and still, almost every death by a console player is instant. One frame death, exclusively.

I agree Crossplay sucks, and every PC player I've talked to while playing thinks the same. Dice keeps saying they're going to fix it, but there's something VERY WRONG with it in 2042.
Adamonic
2 years ago
@AJ_Clickz wrote:
@Adamonic wrote:
They need MnK support for Console players. Then have the lobbies be input-based and not tied to a platform.
With 45Hz servers, anything beyond 60fps actually hurts you as you are time-nudged to hell (with a fast connection).

As a PC player, I would rather not play against console players, but without a Server Browser, I am stuck in the MM lobbies.
Input based lobbies is still not the solution, PC will still have the advantage of higher FPS, quicker response times and lowered graphical infidelity making visibility easier.
Forced console pairing with PC should not be a thing, period.
EDIT: I understand Xbox and PS can turn off crossplay, but there are issues getting into lobbies. This is most likely due to crossplay automatically being on and people simply quitting the game because they either have to choose between playing with PC or having no lobbies.
Console vs console, then being pooled into PC lobbies when playing with PC friends is a solution that must be implemented in the next Battlefield if they don't want to ruin and drive away console players.
This is an issue on many other games, DICE take the correct steps and make the next Battlefield fair and fun for everyone.
Higher FPS is irrelevant with 45Hz servers. There are no updates to take advantage of any fps differences.
I agree nothing should be forced. Cross play should be off by default.
Console players get Aim Assist and 25% recoil reduction to compensate for perceived precision benefits to mouse input. However, mouse input is delayed, and I think they purposely do that as another cross play feature. I don't mind AA but when coupled with 25% recoil reduction makes it much easier to stick to moving players. This is especially evident for Marksmanship Rifles and weapons with a high RoF.
sk1lld
Legend
2 years ago
Let's face it with 45 Hz servers this game is always going to feel sloppy no matter how powerful your PC is. I agree with others the cross play should be set off as default setting.
AJ_Clickz
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
@RaginSam Complaining about console how? I'm supporting console regarding crossplay.
AJ_Clickz
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
@Adamonic What? FPS is not irrelevant at all... The higher the FPS, the lower the input lag correct? Or am I just imagining that.

There is a difference between playing 60FPS on my console compared to plugging in a controller and playing at around 200 on my PC.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@AJ_Clickz wrote:
@RaginSamComplaining about console how? I'm supporting console regarding crossplay.
I mean why do you care about crossplay? What is the benefit of playing on console when you have a really nice PC?
ATFGunr
Legend
2 years ago
@Adamonic wrote:
They need MnK support for Console players. Then have the lobbies be input-based and not tied to a platform.
With 45Hz servers, anything beyond 60fps actually hurts you as you are time-nudged to hell (with a fast connection).

As a PC player, I would rather not play against console players, but without a Server Browser, I am stuck in the MM lobbies.
So if anything higher than 60fps results in worse time nudge in 45hz servers, is it beneficial to lock it at 60? I don’t have the great rigs you guys have (5800x/3060ti), so should I lock the FPS at 60 in Nvidia? Or in 2042 itself? I’m just about to go from a 1080p monitor to 1440 so will need any help I can get eh?
As for crossplay, it’s been a hot mess since day one and I’ve ended up playing with a small group of PC players with crossplay off. The bots are less fun and less of a challenge but also don’t kill you in a single burst from across the map two feet behind cover. I 100% think Dice screwed the pooch with crossplay and network compensation. Since changing it will inevitably break other parts of it, the next game should start from scratch for it, and it shold be defaulted to OFF.
Adamonic
2 years ago
@AJ_Clickz wrote:
@AdamonicWhat? FPS is not irrelevant at all... The higher the FPS, the lower the input lag correct? Or am I just imagining that.

There is a difference between playing 60FPS on my console compared to plugging in a controller and playing at around 200 on my PC.
The server tick rate is 45hz, so anything beyond that doesn't affect gameplay. It may feel smoother, but everything is just extrapolated beyond 45fps/hz.