Engi’s are extremely weak and not fun in 2042

@Col_LarsenYou’re breezing right over the fact that Engineers in previous titles are infinitely more effective at their Anti vehicle/anti aircraft roles than anything in 2042. Hell even supports in other BF games are more effective at anti vehicle and they can resupply themselves. And those games are unquestionably superior to 2042. 

At the very least we need to see the buildable ammo resupply stations in 2042 like we see in BFV. And please don’t insult our intelligence with “but people will hump ammo crates”.  The crates are destructible from afar and there are cool downs for resupplying. It’s no different than infinite ammo on an attack chopper or tanks via cooldowns. 

In the meantime I’ll just continuously fire my AA rockets or AT then instantly respawn because I know 99% of the time I’m not getting any ammo. 

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@Zhukov211 wrote:

@Col_LarsenYou’re breezing right over the fact that Engineers in previous titles are infinitely more effective at their Anti vehicle/anti aircraft roles than anything in 2042. Hell even supports in other BF games are more effective at anti vehicle and they can resupply themselves. And those games are unquestionably superior to 2042. 

At the very least we need to see the buildable ammo resupply stations in 2042 like we see in BFV. And please don’t insult our intelligence with “but people will hump ammo crates”.  The crates are destructible from afar and there are cool downs for resupplying. It’s no different than infinite ammo on an attack chopper or tanks via cooldowns. 

In the meantime I’ll just continuously fire my AA rockets or AT then instantly respawn because I know 99% of the time I’m not getting any ammo. 

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Have you tried turning on your microphone and befriend other players and play together? This game is 1000% better playing with friends. 
It is also meant to be a combined arms experience instead of running around solo. I don’t play this game solo anymore too much. 

@JOGAGATYAPlaying any multiplayer game with others in a group makes any experience better. That’s not a legitimate answer to how weak 2042 Engineers are compared to Engineers and even Supports in other BF games vs vehicles.

I’ve been playing Battlefield for about 2 decades. Telling me it’s a combined arms exercise is a no brainer and still doesn’t change the fact by that compared to previous BF games, 2042 Engineers are weak vs vehicles and as a result are JUST NOT FUN OR SATISFYING TO PLAY.

At a minimum we need the BFV type buildable ammo stations at every friendly objective. That would at least help with our short supply of rockets. It would encourage PTFO for access to ammo resupply and would deter players from having to instantly respawn for ammo every time we run dry in order to partake in our class mechanic, anti vehicle.

And before you get started on resupply via team

mates, I rarely, if ever, see Angel’s large supply crate being called in. Maybe once every 3rd day of game play. And for whatever reason medics hardly ever drop ammo. DICE determined ammo stations were a legit concept in BFV so why was that concept abandoned? Like so many other great concepts from the franchise that were abandoned for no comprehensible reason. 

DiCE almost had it figured out six years ago with the Ammo 2.0 proposals in BF1. Would love to see a lot of these ideas in 2042

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_live/comments/5zytvl/grenade_resupply_ammo_20_and_whats_next/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

@DiceDev wrote:

**What is Ammo 2.0?**
Ammo 2.0 is a complete rework to the resupply mechanics of Battlefield 1 that at its core is intended to increase the utility of the Support class. It should always be helpful to have a Support with ammo gadgets around. As side effects to this system we also get much more freedom and levers to tune how often gadgets can be used beyond just max ammo count and resupply time.

**What are our goals with Ammo 2.0?**

* Ammo gadgets should always be helpful, and increase the abilities of other gadgets in the short term, even immediately after spawning in, not just after they've expended all of their uses.

* Other gadgets should not become completely useless once their ammo is expended, but should be stronger when supported by ammo.

* Resupplying must be limited to prevent overuse of gadgets, but should not require players to sit on a box for an excessive amount of time, else redeploying with full ammo becomes a more attractive and efficient option than actually resupplying.

**How do we plan on solving those issues with Ammo 2.0?**

The core of Ammo 2.0 is a shift from ammo gadgets being the only way to resupply, to a cooldown based system with ammo gadgets modifying cooldowns. The cooldown based resupply shifts the benefit of the ammo box from long term to short term. With the cooldown giving small amounts of ammo over the long term, we can reduce the starting ammo of many gadgets, making having ammo most important during a fight instead of after. In many ways the Support's ammo gadgets will become something like the offensive counterpart of the Medic's healing gadgets. Passive health regen will allow a player to survive without a Medic in the long term, but in the short term the Medic gadgets are critical to winning fights. We want support to multiply the effectiveness of other classes. For example, 2 Assaults supported with ammo should be better at taking out tanks than 3 Assaults without Support. Bringing a proper squad composition with complementary roles should be stronger than brute force stacking a single class.

Cooldown based gadgets are nothing new to the Battlefield series, a good portion of the gadgets in Battlefield 1 already use a cooldown or regenerating ammo, such as medkits, syringe, mortar, periscope, and more. With Ammo 2.0 we'll be able to extend the benefits of the ammo box/pouch to these gadgets as well.

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@AuMordum wrote:

...1 man shouldnt be able to just causally stroll around the map with endless rockets....

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You mean like a pilot/gunner or an armoured vehicle driver?  Endless supply of rockets, flares, APS, shells, and now most have thermal sights.  Even IF they can find an ammo crate, an engineer can only replenish 1 missile at a time.  By which time the tank/helo has healed.  Really balanced DICE, nice job.  An Engineer should have enough ammo/gadget to take out a vehicle solo.  With reload speed and lack of cover for the engineer, it's then down to the skill of the driver/pilot to avoid/take out the threat before it takes them out.

I agree with OP, engineers at the moment are utterly useless and vehicles are only getting stronger/more in number.

It isnt any fun being an engineer right now. Plus all the vehicles feel OP. Feels like it takes 5/6 rockets sometimes to take stuff down 

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@MADMAC50K wrote:

You mean like a pilot/gunner or an armoured vehicle driver?  Endless supply of rockets, flares, APS, shells, and now most have thermal sights.  Even IF they can find an ammo crate, an engineer can only replenish 1 missile at a time.  By which time the tank/helo has healed.  Really balanced DICE, nice job.  An Engineer should have enough ammo/gadget to take out a vehicle solo.  With reload speed and lack of cover for the engineer, it's then down to the skill of the driver/pilot to avoid/take out the threat before it takes them out.

I agree with OP, engineers at the moment are utterly useless and vehicles are only getting stronger/more in number.

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I want to point out that you seem to have missed the nuance of how vehicles are much more limited in numbers than the soldiers.

In conquest there may be 32 to 64 people per MBT, helicopter etc.

As soon as there are at least two people using their launcher at the same time, the vehicle is in serious trouble unless it can kill them first or retreat in time.

All that said, the Engineers DO need to become more fun to play. Lis is way ahead of the other two in what she offers, especially vs the ground vehicles.

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

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@MADMAC50K wrote:

You mean like a pilot/gunner or an armoured vehicle driver?  Endless supply of rockets, flares, APS, shells, and now most have thermal sights.  Even IF they can find an ammo crate, an engineer can only replenish 1 missile at a time.  By which time the tank/helo has healed.  Really balanced DICE, nice job.  An Engineer should have enough ammo/gadget to take out a vehicle solo.  With reload speed and lack of cover for the engineer, it's then down to the skill of the driver/pilot to avoid/take out the threat before it takes them out.

I agree with OP, engineers at the moment are utterly useless and vehicles are only getting stronger/more in number.

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I want to point out that you seem to have missed the nuance of how vehicles are much more limited in numbers than the soldiers.

In conquest there may be 32 to 64 people per MBT, helicopter etc.

As soon as there are at least two people using their launcher at the same time, the vehicle is in serious trouble unless it can kill them first or retreat in time.

All that said, the Engineers DO need to become more fun to play. Lis is way ahead of the other two in what she offers, especially vs the ground vehicles.

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Even if people use their launchers at the same time, it takes too many direct hits to take out a vehicle.  With APS, heals, and flares to deal with any rockets in between.  Engineers then have to reload (too slow), lock on again (too slow), and fire IF the vehicle is still out in the open (usually not they've retired behind cover the heal while they wait for the Engineers to run out of ammo....)

The only effective way to deal with vehicles at the moment, is other vehicles, or C5 if you can get close enough.  The engineer class is more or less redundant....