Gunplay & recoil mechanics

Yer we need LASERs, ohh wait let's use hitscan too.  It is a game? Yes,  but having every bullet go exactly where aimed is over the top.  Actual real life doesn't even have that.

What is being asked for is a very fast TTK, you may as well make every bullet 1 hit kill

Gun mechanic may have been good to some in BFV but the TTK sucked.  Which was a big complaint in BFV.  

Many ask for the ability to counter when in a vehicle yet for infantry we have the ability to counter snipers but someone with AR at 100m still needs to be able to kill all fast because it is not fun for the shooter, great logic applied selectively.

Again youse are playing a game. If real life stats like RPM are used with low BTK the TTK becomes too fast with the massive full damage hit boxes players have,  so other stats need to be adjusted. Having accuracy as the only factor in a game when weapons failure,  temperature, wind or muscle fatigue are not factors, makes it to low skill and easy to kill.  This is why precision(spread), velocity, gravity and drag are need to make killing harder and requiring skill.  

People need to think of all players not just the how the AR shooters feels.  

You sure its random in BF4? 

Im pretty sure its predictable. I swear i watched lots of vids on youtube back in the day, about each guns recoil pattern..then how to control it. Maybe it was marbleduck who done gun guides? Dunno

I always thought BF1 brought in RBD.

I could be very wrong...my memory can be pretty shocking these days lol.

Eitherways, i prefer predictable recoil patterns.

@DingoKillrDefinitely agree guns shouldn’t perform like laserbeams, but I think actual recoil patterns should handle most of the spread. Maybe a standard random deviation factor of 2-4moa should be handled, as that’s the standard accuracy of military issued rifles.

As an older player I can’t say too much about TTK in newer titles, but IMO the damage drop off in older titles was too much and muzzle velocities too slow, it kinda made distanced firefights feel like paintball battles. Now that the scale gets larger again in 2042 I think higher muzzle velocities are actually necessary.

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@-ExiLe_ZH wrote:

@cso7777From what I've heard from you guys and from what Iv'e seen so far, BFV is big step into the right direction (sorry for not being up to date with the bf series).

I hope they will improve upon this concept and make it even better.

Hope you guys are not gonna hate me for this,

but I think MW19 is another good example and I think they did a phenomenal job at the recoil patterns (> I'm NOT a COD fan all). It has strong visual feedback in the crosshairs, making the guns feel very punchy while the bullets land exactly where the reticle aims. Check out the SCAR here at 57:25 for example and look at the red dot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MglAQncpTM&t=3445s

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I'm willing to give random sight bounce recoil a try, but the sight really needs to bounce around so bullets miss the target at medium to long range, so burst-fire trigger control becomes necessary to land long range shots.

Otherwise we'll end up with BFV's laser accurate weapons all over again with all the TTK balancing problems laser accurate weapons cause. DICE tried lowering bullet damage to slow down the TTK, but all that does is create bullet sponge gameplay. What they should have did was increase random sight bounce recoil so more bullets miss the target. That would have slowed the TTK down without causing a bullet sponge effect.

So basically we'd be back to random bullet deviation, only this time the sight follows the recoil pattern.

People keep saying BFV has the best gun play to date, but I didn't find the gameplay fun. Guns were too accurate which caused the TTK to be too fast. Everyone was afraid to move which rewarded stationary defensive gameplay.

Hopefully BF2042 gameplay isn't frustrating like BFV. Because a lot of players bailed on BFV, myself included, so there's no way BFV has the best gun play in the Battlefield series.

They should bring back random Horizontal recoil because everybody loved that.

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@OskooI_007 wrote:

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@-ExiLe_ZH wrote:

@cso7777From what I've heard from you guys and from what Iv'e seen so far, BFV is big step into the right direction (sorry for not being up to date with the bf series).

I hope they will improve upon this concept and make it even better.

Hope you guys are not gonna hate me for this,

but I think MW19 is another good example and I think they did a phenomenal job at the recoil patterns (> I'm NOT a COD fan all). It has strong visual feedback in the crosshairs, making the guns feel very punchy while the bullets land exactly where the reticle aims. Check out the SCAR here at 57:25 for example and look at the red dot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MglAQncpTM&t=3445s

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So basically we'd be back to random bullet deviation, only this time the sight follows the recoil pattern.

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Yea this. Difference is that's not 100% random, the sight follows a specific path/pattern and it also allows the devs to customize and finetune the accuracy per weapon and make them feel unique aswell. Like the patterns could slower/faster, go more horizontal/vertical, depending on how predictable they want it to be.

Coupled with the standard viewkick system I think there's a lot of flexibility here. Maybe it's even an idea to have attachments that influence these patterns?

And the cool thing is that there's a bit realism in this whole thing, that actually compliments balance.

@DingoKillrand @OskooI_007 are pretty much on it for me.

And one thing to bare in mind about sights jumping around is the potential issue of motion sickness.

For me, somewhere between BF4 and BF1 would be bout right.