Let's talk about Crossplay, again...

I've been playing Redacted almost exclusively since it was released, and since it's infantry only, the horrible networking between consoles and PC really starts to show its self. Console players will just stand still or walk slowly out of cover and take shots, fire back after you've unloaded at least 5-6 shots, then they snap to you, and boom you're dead INSTANTLY. It's so consistent that I am completely convinced that this is a feature built into the game. PC players are handicapped by being placed behind a couple of ticks on the server. There's no way that it's because the majority of them are playing on Wifi or have figured out a way to manipulate the network. It's far too consistent to be anything else but intentional game design.

We also need to talk about the "Snap to Target" and reduced recoil for controller players as well. In BF2042 apparently it's been buffed to the point where the snap to target is four times the distance compared to the previous titles including BF1 and BF5. Pair that with reduced recoil and that's a HUGE part of aiming. It also doesn't stop there. They also get slowdown, and keep in mind that's after they have snapped to their target, then rotational assist, and to top it all off, reduced recoil. They really don't have to do much when it comes to aiming.

I think we need to ask Dice to be transparent on this. What is going on with the network? I personally want answers, and I think as a community we should be demanding transparency on this topic concerning at least the networking. It's really demoralizing after putting years of effort into developing aiming skills, researching equipment, doing trial and error with different combinations of mice, pads, mouse feet, and etc. just to be out done because we're being handicapped in vain of trying to make things "fair". How is that fair to PC players exactly?

I will keep saying this, and I think as PC players we should become comfortable saying this: If you want to be a top player in any particular game, in any lobby, you need to be using a mouse on PC in order to achieve that. That shouldn't even be a controversial statement. Imagine if iRacing started to cater more to controller players and started giving them all sorts of assist so they could viably compete against people with full sim rigs that are equipped with High quality pedals and Wheels. That would be absurd, yet we accept it in shooters? These companies are doing it to reach a wider audience, but I'm sorry, I don't care.

I don't want to be constantly stressed out trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Someone standing still just eating my bullets and then just to hit me back in one update doesn't feel fair at all.

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31 Replies

Hudson1531
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@RaginSam agreed put the console players back into there own match making
777aTriX
New Vanguard
2 years ago
Xbox and playstation users are so laggy its driving me insane. When 6.0 launched it was pc players beaming me thru walls while I was on console, now it's console players beaming me thru cover in 1 frame deaths while I play on pc.
No matter where I play, ps5,xbox or pc I get 1 lobby of ownage then like a switch is flipped it's back to being on Gross end of the stick.
Really infuriating tbh because like you I've invested alot of time, effort, and money to ensuring I am good at fps games like battlefield.
But this, this either needs fixed or I guess I'll really have to quit for my mental health
xVulture
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Again with this? It's so infuriating to read the same thing over and over with the both sides seeing the same things.
As a console player I wish that snap and aim assist worked the way op described it. Maybe my k/d would be higher than it is.
Just to say it one more time... The same experiences you pc players have vs console players, we have with pc players. We see pc players slide, jump and shoot, spinning around and locking on targets before we can pull the trigger. Basically, if you read the op and switch pc & console, it's the same.
I think we can all agree that crossplay has much to do with our issues. They seem to not be able to adjust things so it works together. They've put us in a place where turning it off doesn't work due to not enough players to start a match. So we are stuck with it.
I love the idea of crossplay but I honestly don't think it will ever be equal play between pc and console.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@xVultureIt's infuriating to keep having an issue that ruins my experience, and I'll keep being vocal about it until I get some sort of feedback from a Dev or until we get some changes. At the very least they'll take into account how many people didn't care for crossplay or had bad experiences with it. Maybe crossplay won't be enabled as the default in the next Battlefield.

Then there's the issue with controllers getting assist on PC. It's one thing if console players want to do their own thing, but on PC I'm tired of companies over compensating and giving them these over-tuned assist. It only gets worse and justified with crossplay becoming a thing. It's made a handful of games literally unplayable for me.

In a way, we agree. Crossplay isn't as great as we thought that it might be. We tried it, but neither side is ever going to be really happy.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@777aTriX wrote:
Xbox and playstation users are so laggy its driving me insane. When 6.0 launched it was pc players beaming me thru walls while I was on console, now it's console players beaming me thru cover in 1 frame deaths while I play on pc.
No matter where I play, ps5,xbox or pc I get 1 lobby of ownage then like a switch is flipped it's back to being on Gross end of the stick.
Really infuriating tbh because like you I've invested alot of time, effort, and money to ensuring I am good at fps games like battlefield.
But this, this either needs fixed or I guess I'll really have to quit for my mental health
That's why I started the topic, it really does affect your mental health. When you try to adjust and figure out what you're doing wrong to improve, but you keep just dying instantly... what do you do with that? I'm not good at shooters all of a sudden?
Since you played on both, did it always feel like you were dying instantly to the different platform after that first round? Were there times playing on console you felt like you were given more time to react? I'm curious about your experience.
sk1lld
Legend
2 years ago
Just bad hitreg as usual, I believe this game will never be fixed.
JMHO
xVulture
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@RaginSam "Then there's the issue with controllers getting assist on PC. It's one thing if console players want to do their own thing, but on PC I'm tired of companies over compensating and giving them these over-tuned assist. It only gets worse and justified with crossplay becoming a thing. It's made a handful of games literally unplayable for me."

This my (console players) point. This is just not true. The perception of aim assist and snapping is distorted from the reality that it is almost more of a hindrance than help.

Other than that, I agree with continuing to be vocal about the issues. I apologize for my initial response. I gurss after seeing the same thread multiple times, my first thought is, "here we go again". You're right though, the community should keep these topics up until we receive a response.
I_DYN4MO_I
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@RaginSam Can't we just go back to the old days before all this rubbish in modern gaming? Crossplay, live services, community calendar's, no server browsers etc. It all needs trashing.

Whilst I strongly believe this game should be accessible to both hardcore sweats and casuals alike, crossplay should not be the default option. It should exist as a secondary QoL feature to play against your mate on a different platform you might work with etc as an example.

Even though balancing issues do exist my main issue is the desync between platforms combined with the incredibly low TTK makes for a generally horrible experience overall.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@xVulture wrote:
@RaginSam"Then there's the issue with controllers getting assist on PC. It's one thing if console players want to do their own thing, but on PC I'm tired of companies over compensating and giving them these over-tuned assist. It only gets worse and justified with crossplay becoming a thing. It's made a handful of games literally unplayable for me."

This my (console players) point. This is just not true. The perception of aim assist and snapping is distorted from the reality that it is almost more of a hindrance than help.

Other than that, I agree with continuing to be vocal about the issues. I apologize for my initial response. I gurss after seeing the same thread multiple times, my first thought is, "here we go again". You're right though, the community should keep these topics up until we receive a response.
I just watched a video demonstrating the snap to target mechanic. When they measured the distance from where it'll snap to a target, it came out to roughly four times the distance in 2042 when compared to both BF1 and BF5.
Controller players also get a 25% reduction in recoil. Then they also get slow down and rotational assist. That's a lot of different assist mechanics to help controller players to not only get onto the target, but to stay on target. Besides all of that, there is something oddly consistent with how I predominantly die to console players. It really does feel like PC players are being purposely placed at least a couple of ticks behind console players. It happens every single round.
Maybe you're not able to feel those assist? Honestly I can't myself anymore when using a controller. However, when I plug in a Xim to test these mechanics out in different games, it becomes very apparent how strong they actually are. Depending on the game, it's basically tab targeting. I haven't tested the Xim out on 2042 because I sold all that stuff a while ago. Even with my potato aim on a controller in 2042 though I could definitely notice shots registering differently then when using a mouse. That reduced recoil alone is a huge advantage.
Visual clutter is also something that has more of an effect on PC players. When we aim with a mouse, we need to really focus and see our target clearly. Snap to target, slow down, and rotational assist all help with the different particle effects that can visually clutter your view. It's also a fact that it takes more concentration for a mouse user to stay on target in comparison to a controller player. Having those assist actually alleviate your mental capacity. It's less fatiguing and can allow you to focus more on positioning. A mouse player is using a lot of their brain power in the moment to track their target.
777aTriX
New Vanguard
2 years ago
I can play maybe a game or 2 on xbox series x b4 I start being lag compensated, then it's trash from then on till I change platforms. Again 1 game of ownage then lag compensated. Change to ps5, 1 ownage match then lag compensated.
Vpn, same thing.
Idk what to do anymore but I'm raging and I should quit but how lame is it that I don't get to enjoy a battlefield title that I waited 10 years to enjoy the series again??
I'm elite at battlefield 4, I hate bfv but I'm good at it. I really really really am bitter and all this hate I feel I directly attribute to dice.
Edit, I should state wirrd ethernet netduma xr 500 gaming router fiber internet located in the middle of usa known as the fiber backbone of America.
I am litteraly punished for having good internet.
With a netduma or vpn you can play in Europe on ps5 with xrossplay off and I just own.
But it's because I'm abusing the netcode.
I am so angry, thanks dice!