Next bf

SBMM has been complained about in every game that implemented it.

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@sk1lld wrote:

SBMM has been complained about in every game that implemented it.

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My only experience with it, at least the only one I can remember, was some COD beta I tried. It was quite jarring and I didn't really enjoy it. I'd much rather be all lumped together with varying skill levels through the teams. 

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@UP_Hawxxeye wrote:

Console and PC players of equal skill are equals as infantry, with the PC side having a slight advantage in vehicle vs vehicle.

I suspect your problem is less about PC having an advantage and more about PC having retained a larger percentage of sweatlord players.

I was on PS3 during BF3 and then went to PC from BF4 and onwards, transitioning to PC was like playing on an overall higher difficulty.

Like I said, that does not mean that consoles do not have extreme players, but they are just fewer.

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SBMM in other games has been a horrible experience for those involved. As much as it sounds good in theory, it creates a dystopia in practice.

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Just ONE example of PC player superiority: Spamming the 'A' and 'S' key on the keyboard, glitching left and right while jumping in the air. (On the controller it takes time for the stick to travel to left and right position)

And...no i can not map left and right on the controller to achieve the same effectiveness and ease of use while holding the controller ergonomically. 
But they say: you guys have aim assist and other stuff...

Lets just get rid of crossplay. Easy. 

Let's just hope the next game is actually finished when released, that would make a nice change.

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@Doo-Doo-Draws wrote:
@JOGAGATYAYou and I both really do not know what the majority of players want, but those who do speak out, are the ones going to be heard. And I've seen many asking for M&K support on various BF forums. Not sure why you wouldn't want that, especially if cross-play is to continue in the next BF game. No, that won't solve all that is wrong with cross-play, as network-related issues are one of the main reasons I dislike cross-play. Often, it seems like I'm having to empty an entire clip into someone to kill them, or I'm being killed from behind cover. And sometimes, the kills I get just do not feel justifiable. They feel cheap and scripted, to be honest. Same with a lot of the deaths I've experienced. I feel I've had a lot of BS deaths when I should've been the one to have easily gotten the kill.

I doubt they'll do away with cross-play for the next BF game, but I'd be okay with it if they did. I know why cross-play exists, but if it's not a great experience, people will quit playing. I'd rather have a small player base and fun experience, then a massive player base and poor experience.

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I personally got a console to get away from the M&K experience. I wanted to casually play on the couch comfortably on a big screen TV. I do that since BF Bad Company. It's been a great experience. Until BF2042 with crossplay. All my friends agree. If the next title gets M&K support and crossplay is still there, i will wait with the purchase a few months and see if non crossplay lobbies work or not. See if enough players play with crossplay off. If i can't get the excellent experience we had on console for the last 15-20 years, sadly that is the end of BF for me. In a fast paced FPS game like this, there is no place for a poor network performance caused by crossplay. It works in games like Sea of Thieves but NOT in Battlefield. 🙁

@JOGAGATYAThere is nothing inherent to crossplay that would make the game take 200ms+ to register shots, if at all, or any of the other networking (and sight alignment, and wonky hitboxes, and other) issues 2042 has. Don't make assumptions about 2042's netcode. If debugging it were to fall on the community (it shouldn't...), there's a serious lack of tools for that, and even general information on how it works. A good chunk of 2042's bad netcode was, and to an extent can still be observed alone in bot servers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThHfw_-m3s They're also 20hz, but mentioning that I don't want to feed into the misconception that 45hz is so much lower than 60 and would make your bullets register half a second later. That is not happening, there is just no way that would fix it.

People probably wouldn't even be able to tell. https://youtu.be/a9kw5gOEUjQ?t=122

Crossplay does not strictly mean being forced to play with people with M+KB. It means playing across different platforms. Consoles have supported M+KB since at least the PS2, if not even before that, and most PC games support controllers. That the vast majority of devs didn't want to implement M+KB in their console games, their problem. Times are changing and people are coming to their senses and implementing M+KB for console shooters because shooting with a plain controller is dumb. There is also gyro aim - PS only, IDK why Microsoft ignored it again, it lets you aim pretty much on par with a mouse. It's a pretty big deal, and it would give an advantage to PS players over Xbox ones. Should one console's players be held back by the other?

Fortnite (among others) has M+KB on console. Call of Duty offers all of this with no problem. Its matchmaking is determined by input method and not platform. And that's how it should be. Many games offer gyro aim, even on the Switch, though 2042 isn't on that.

You can use a PC from your couch just as much as you can a console.

I just hope we get a server browser the next time around. 

When I back out of a map.....stop putting me back into the same map. I dont want to play that map 😕

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@GrizzGolf wrote:

I just hope we get a server browser the next time around. 

When I back out of a map.....stop putting me back into the same map. I dont want to play that map 😕

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100% this. 👍

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@Lady_One wrote:

@JOGAGATYAThere is nothing inherent to crossplay that would make the game take 200ms+ to register shots, if at all, or any of the other networking (and sight alignment, and wonky hitboxes, and other) issues 2042 has. Don't make assumptions about 2042's netcode. If debugging it were to fall on the community (it shouldn't...), there's a serious lack of tools for that, and even general information on how it works. A good chunk of 2042's bad netcode was, and to an extent can still be observed alone in bot servers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThHfw_-m3s They're also 20hz, but mentioning that I don't want to feed into the misconception that 45hz is so much lower than 60 and would make your bullets register half a second later. That is not happening, there is just no way that would fix it.

People probably wouldn't even be able to tell. https://youtu.be/a9kw5gOEUjQ?t=122

Crossplay does not strictly mean being forced to play with people with M+KB. It means playing across different platforms. Consoles have supported M+KB since at least the PS2, if not even before that, and most PC games support controllers. That the vast majority of devs didn't want to implement M+KB in their console games, their problem. Times are changing and people are coming to their senses and implementing M+KB for console shooters because shooting with a plain controller is dumb. There is also gyro aim - PS only, IDK why Microsoft ignored it again, it lets you aim pretty much on par with a mouse. It's a pretty big deal, and it would give an advantage to PS players over Xbox ones. Should one console's players be held back by the other?

Fortnite (among others) has M+KB on console. Call of Duty offers all of this with no problem. Its matchmaking is determined by input method and not platform. And that's how it should be. Many games offer gyro aim, even on the Switch, though 2042 isn't on that.

You can use a PC from your couch just as much as you can a console.

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My main concern with crossplay is not networking issues although that problem does probably exist on some level too. The problem with crossplay is the lack of enjoyment playing against a M&K input player on console with a controller. Players with a M&K input just aim, turn and move faster and more accurately. 
Playing on a plain controller is not dumb, it is my enjoyment. I just hate M&K for reasons i mentioned earlier. 
The reason BF was soooo good in the past on console is because everyone was playing on a controller. I think BF is declining in popularity (most people developed ADHD now and find hallway shooters more enjoyable sadly. We hear it more often: BF has too big open maps with less cover...bombs are falling from the sky...snipers (CAMPERS!!!!!) are shooting me....
So if we further segregate the remaining BF crowd, it will be harder to find lobbies. I think the best way to keep a healthy player base is to keep the PC crowd separate from console players and controller supposed to be the only input method on consoles. 
Again: it worked for 20 years. 
I don't think BF has a large enough player base to be able to find lobbies by input method. Times are changing. Hallway shooters are on the rise. Even BF 2042 had too many tiny maps without vehicles. If the next BF will have many maps like Redacted, Stadium, Reclaimed, Haven etc.  sadly i will abandon ship and the whole crossplay issue won't matter anyway.