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BigShottt
3 years ago

Re: Progression not working properly for weapons and vehicles (Solo/Coop AI)

@united_we_rideProgression works on those servers because they are essentially PvP servers. They are open and setup to provide "competitive" play. They are not designed to offer PvE (which would mean all human players that joined would be placed upon the same team).

For instance, when I create my own Portal server I make it so that any humans that join will all be placed upon the same team, so that the end result is humans -vs- bots.

When DICE creates an official Portal server they set it so that joining humans will be placed evenly on both teams, thereby making it a PvP environment. Of course if the servers are empty or have very little humans joining then it has to fill up with bots so then it inadvertently becomes a half arsed PvE'ish place to be... but, since those servers are meant, essentially, for PvP DICE allows normal progression on them.

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  • united_we_ride's avatar
    united_we_ride
    3 years ago
    @BigShottt Oh, I know, it's just bizarre to me. Considering I was completely free to capture the objectives, complete the "travel 2km in a helicopter" and "play 1 round of conquest" in a completely empty server by winning the match with all sectors captured draining the tickets to 0 because there were no players or bots at all and seeing that actually count was really just the cherry on top.

    I put in less effort and just because it was a "full PvP" server it counted.

    The Friday Night Battlefield TDM has AI on both teams if you are the only player in the server and those kills, spots, heals, revives, resupplies all count towards missions. Ribbons are earned in full and XP is earned in full. I get the difference, but there really isn't ya know? those AI are the PvP AI in portal, but the difference, i just don't see it.

    Is TDM in a full lobby of PvP AI really any different than a lobby of PvE AI? The only difference i can see is in the PvE servers, only humans are paired against the AI. where as with the PvP lobbies players join and fill all slots, i get that.

    But the point is that it doesn't make sense to me. i can create a TDM lobby in portal with PvP AI and XP is disabled. yet the Friday Night BF server was filled with bots and i was the only player and i was able to get full XP.

    in AOW breakthrough solo nothing counts. yet i can shoot bots in tdm on portal right now because no one is playing and receive FULL XP.

    I just don't get it.
  • BigShottt's avatar
    BigShottt
    3 years ago

    @united_we_rideTechnically, I don't think those type of servers (empty) should be starting without a minimum amount of joined players. So I don't know why they aren't waiting for more players to join before they start. Either it's a mistake in the way that DICE has set it up OR it's Dice's way of being forgiving to players and giving them an easy way to level up now and then...sort of like a freebie mentality...who knows.

  • united_we_ride's avatar
    united_we_ride
    3 years ago
    @BigShottt well, they seem to be persistent servers on the portal side, and can confirm that there wouldn't be enough players in my region to even find a game through all out war.
    It's Ripple effect that is running the portal side of the game.

    But to be completely fair i don't think it is a freebie. EA Games/DICE and freebie do not go in the same sentence together.
  • Maxthewicked100's avatar
    Maxthewicked100
    3 years ago

    At this point, the only real way we can gain their attention is if we spam new topics involving to uncap AOW Solo/Co-op. We need to be heard and if they refuse to listen, then we must have ours hands forced. Link this forum here and make SURE they hear us by spamming the same request.

  • BigShottt's avatar
    BigShottt
    3 years ago

    @Maxthewicked100Seriously? I think you need to step away from your computer for awhile, son. Tantrums will get us nowhere, I'm afraid, it's not that simple.

  • Maxthewicked100's avatar
    Maxthewicked100
    3 years ago

    Like hell I do. I've been patient for 8 f u c k i n g months. I've watched rewards come and go by. I've begged and pleaded for answers and they've IGNORED us. Ran with our damn money. Its unacceptable.

  • Maxthewicked100's avatar
    Maxthewicked100
    3 years ago

    Aaaand I got banned from the discord for saying I hate the dev team. Cool. This community can suck a fat one. And the dev team can also do the same with the money they robbed from us.

  • KiRiASU's avatar
    KiRiASU
    3 years ago

    Wrote a ticket, which was closed immediately and marked as 'unresolvable'. Bumped it three times, but was silenced with an 'unresolvable' flag each time. What ist this EA? You're just taking our money and run with it, right!? You can't sell a product on promises and change them that drastically afterwards. This is fraud-level stuff.

  • united_we_ride's avatar
    united_we_ride
    3 years ago
    @KiRiASU it's far harder to prove fraud than it is to assume, fraud would mean that there was intent to deceive. Negligence however, now thats far easier to prove.

    Just look at the mess of this forum, their social media, reddit, youtube etc. Hell i've even heard some VERY VERY prominent BF2042 youtubers say live yesterday that even they feel like Dice are done with it, and trying to deliver a minimum viable product to meet their obligations to premium purchasers.

    The fact that a very prominent youtuber stated that does not inspire confidence.

    I've tried reporting it as a bug, it just got merged here, i've posted about it on reddit, And i have sent some emails out to a few firms in my location.

    i do not care if it takes me forever, i will be getting my refund for this game.

    i'm just starting to talk about it in other threads now, if i can make it fit into the topic somehow i shall bring it up. i'm going to keep pushing.

    i wish i was kidding when i say the ONLY reason i purchased this game is because i could play army man against bots. I did a google search looking for games that offered a "battlefield like" experience but singleplayer and found this, with the advertisements stating full solo progression and your battlefield, your rules play and progress how you like.

    So yeah, actually you might be right, it smells and feels like fraud level stuff.
  • BigShottt's avatar
    BigShottt
    3 years ago

    See my post here regarding this ideology of PvE vs PvP.

    https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Things-which-need-to-be-addressed-in-next-updates/m-p/11551609#M110904

    IMO, we can't force THEM anymore than they can force US. Perhaps we should look upon this opportunity as an olive branch that needs tending, and be careful not to sh*t on it :-)

    Let's not forget, afterall, that it's been about 15 years or so since we had bots in a BF game... and now we do :-)

    Let's not forget that we also get to play the "unlock game" without needing to do it within a PvP environment :-)

    So you see, we are getting there and have to give them credit for at least giving us this, so far.

    So let us be vocal, but respectful, in how we feel they could improve the unlocks for us going forward.

  • UGCHazard's avatar
    UGCHazard
    3 years ago
    @BigShottt It seems you didn't understand the point where this part of the community is unhappy, I myself am not the big part that likes PVP, I'm not skilled enough to unlock some things, I don't have time to constantly play to improve my skill because this is not the idea I have of the game, I study, work, I have children to take care of and this part where I have fun with the game is the part where I play against bots, in which I can unlock and earn some badges, skins and others things, that's why I bought the game, and it wasn't half that I bought it whole now because only half of the people who bought the game can enjoy it and the other metate being forced to decrease the rewards gain just because you don't like PVP?
  • BigShottt's avatar
    BigShottt
    3 years ago

    @UGCHazard??

    I believe I've understood this thread just fine. I am an early contributor to it.

    Perhaps you are confused about something, I can't really tell because I don't understand what you're trying to say to me.

  • DominickB3's avatar
    DominickB3
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    I think the worst part in all of this, I used EA Access to play the game early to decide if I wanted to buy it. I bought it because I was so excited that PvE had full progression and convinced a couple other friends to buy it as well because of that. Then once I put enough time into the game that I could no longer get a refund, they pulled the full experience and here I am with a game I paid for premium for that I don't even have installed anymore. I feel like they flat out stole money from me and then disappeared with the lack of confirmation either way in all of this. They just refuse to flat out tell us "PvE will never have full progression again." Instead we have posts from when it was initially turned off saying it is a "temporary measure."

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