Re: The Question of Aim Assist

@Ironhead841 

Glad I'm not the only one noticing this. Its infuriating when other players in a match just troll and say it doesn't happen when it clearly is, and throw out the usual round of 'git good' and 'skill issue' responses. Sadly it seems the new season is off to the same thing. Getting instantly clapped by console players. All under rank of 40, all headshots. Rank 9 instantly capped me through the new deployed weapon, at 100m, with a suppressed M5A3 using close quarters ammo. Instantly. 

Console users basically now have snap aim assist and it’s beyond comical now!

Don’t get hoodwinked by these console players the aim assist is on call of duty levels now!

An update of interest to this topic: I turned off crossplay for the first time in a while tonight, as a test. Not as many players, and more bots, but I died much less than I would in a comparative match with console players. Aside from a few questionable players (namely being able to instantly locate you without any scanning or spotting evident), I didn't get beaned in the head anywhere near as frequently, and the frequency was waaay down in close quarters, white knuckle fights. It felt considerably more balanced. 

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@emerson1975 wrote:

Console users basically now have snap aim assist and it’s beyond comical now!

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Snap aim assist was always working in BF2042. The update fixed an issue with the slowdown bubble and I perceive no changes with the snap aim assist. 

This level of snap aim assist also existed on PC servers for BF1 and BFV did you find it comical then too?

Snap aim assist is often a hinderance.  Players are better off without it.  Two big issues with snap aim assist 1) It doesn't really allow you to lead targets 2) It often gets confused if there are enemies standing together.

Here's three popular Youtuber's sharing their recommended controller settings:

https://youtu.be/UdkG0vctHOc?t=372
https://youtu.be/254R30gvetM?t=134
https://youtu.be/bUGdp5NCNWo?t=790

Do you notice any trends with their recommendations on the snap aim assist setting?

@ATFGunr 

So I'm not the only one to notice sometimes people are firing semi-auto weapons on what seems like automatic. I had one guy earlier doing that with a grenade launcher. He was using the SFAR, popped a round at me, died. Revived, and on his killcam he fired again at someone else a split second before I was up. He immediately fired a third grenade, with absolutely no time in there for reload. Quickest three round pop off I've seen. 

Oh how the turn tables.

Srsly though, aim assist is slightly below BFV levels now. It's finally working.

Do you know why most people play shooters on PC because it's fun to combine eye hand coordination with many different inputs and get better and better. I will never understand why people play on shooter gamepads, the input is just not set up for it and why do consoles not have standard M&K support for shooter games.

And if I would play for 10 years on console and then get killed by every monkey because the game assists you so much than you do yourself, how are you supposed to differentiate yourself from other console players if your own skill is worth less than taking advantage of the assistants.

Look at Apex/CoD what is slowly happening, people who played M&K before connect a worse input (gamepad) to their PC to be better than with M&K. I hope in the future console and PC will be separated again and the gamepad support for PC discontinued.

It's not about crying, but imagine something like that would be transmitted in real sports, that would be a disaster.

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@Ne0tax wrote:

Do you know why most people play shooters on PC because it's fun to combine eye hand coordination with many different inputs and get better and better. I will never understand why people play on shooter gamepads, the input is just not set up for it and why do consoles not have standard M&K support for shooter games.

And if I would play for 10 years on console and then get killed by every monkey because the game assists you so much than you do yourself, how are you supposed to differentiate yourself from other console players if your own skill is worth less than taking advantage of the assistants.

Look at Apex/CoD what is slowly happening, people who played M&K before connect a worse input (gamepad) to their PC to be better than with M&K. I hope in the future console and PC will be separated again and the gamepad support for PC discontinued.

It's not about crying, but imagine something like that would be transmitted in real sports, that would be a disaster.

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They have aim assist in bowling called lane bumpers.

Crossplay is purely cause PC players base always smaller :D

@Sc0tch_Whiskey 

Nice! 👍

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@Sc0tch_Whiskey wrote:
@Ironhead841This from Florian not long ago,



Florian - DRUNKKZ3

@DRUNKKZ3
Tomorrow's update should introduce improvements with input responsiveness globally as well as performance boosts (framerate), more specifically for high end PCs.

Update 3.0.0 should help a bit with mouse input too although we're still investigating more mouse/controller aiming input latency and consistency improvements. We will share more information on this in the near future

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Thanks for sharing, will look forward to testing. 👍

Performance felt somewhat better today, but I'm still encountering issues, especially the later in the night I play. Questionable players zooming ahead of everyone else by dozens of kills to hardly any deaths, frequently standing in open areas picking off everyone in sight. One of these was an alleged 'competitive' player, according to the one defending him. Extra curious when the one defending was on the other team and they both ended up being miles ahead of anyone else with virtually no deaths. Further curiosity in both of their Battlefield tracker pages being set to private. Much like another 'competitive' player I saw recently, they seemed to know exact positions of players that weren't visible or making themselves known. Its never a case of them taking a cursory search and spotting something. They know someone is there before they actually see them without any gadgets or abilities. I'm convinced this is how they outpace vehicle players fighting tense combat around contested flags with lots of players, and how they die so little.

After that it was literally Xbox central, and just constant headshots. Died to one PC player in that match. Everything else was an XBox player. Including one who ate up full hi power magazines like they were sweets and blew your head off with one shot. Another did the same thing. Get close to a console player, and you more or less can't win, considering the latter player killed me from full health whilst they were at 6hp and still being shot. 

Also have players tossing C5 about twice the distance I can, now that they've reduced the throw range. Another aspect is vault weapons being uber powerful in enemy hands and middling in mine. A-91 took over a full mag on nearly every player. Capped by one in five shots. Guy with an XM8 mows down everyone and goes 97-16. I shoot the same guy twice in a row after being revived (and they blew my head off instantly with the M16, go figure), and he still won't go down, and proceeds to blow my head off instantly with the otherwise useless M16 again. Sometimes I really wish I knew what server I'm being connected to that seems to make my experience differ vastly compared to Youtubers living in the UK, who seem to have zero latency effects regardless of the server they're on, and never any hit registration issues. 

Anyway. Patch is good, map is good, but the same problems remain to taint the gameplay, especially regarding terrible teamplay that resulted in 12 straight match losses for the exact same reasons (enemy team obliterates any vehicle with a vengeance and literally dozens of players going for it; my team won't do anything).

@TwentyValve I can play anywhere from noon until night. My ping is 28-40 on average, and whenever I've had a high ping, I die even more quickly because nothing can be hit. I used to watch players with 12 ping dominating matches. I watched players with 300 ping dominating matches. Makes no difference. Now that crossplay is permanently enabled, it makes even less difference. Single rank console players are all landing headshots, performing 180 spins, clearly locating you through obstructions, tanking damage and killing instantly. I have console players outranging rifle shots with SMGs. I have players eating a full railgun magazine when a bot can only take three rounds to kill. Same old, same old. Enemy player takes an age to die, but kills me the way you'd kill a bot. 

@RaginSam When I play against bots, I can blitz each one in a few rounds. Kill maybe four with the railgun mag. In a player match, you're lucky to get one. But you've got players mowing people down with any weapon they choose and its like watching them playing against bots. Damage and hit registration should not be any different for them, yet somehow in every match they compensate for 32-64 varying players with all those variables of movement and latency, and they do the same thing every single time. Inch perfect accuracy. Headshots with holo sights that outrange powered scopes. Its like when you watch Jackfrags (who I understand has actually been banned from games for using cheats) capping people left right and centre like its nothing, and its like watching someone playing bots. Even when I play against bots, and I can rack up like 160 kills, I may also die up to 13 times because the bots get a shot in. Yet somehow these players, against actual players, get sometimes a fraction of that death amount. Something seriously does not add up with them.