M880 has less presence but still just stupid to face, the one shots out of the blue are simply not funAnd the 12M honestly how has this not received a single nerf yet? Still able to OHK and spray people down from way too far ranges

I've been working on the T1 for the 12M and mostly using Redacted for it. It's strong up close, don't get me wrong, but Redacted is a CQC map primarily so it kind of comes with the territory in my mind.

@ElliotLHThat's fair, but on the other hand, Redacted is the only CQC map we have without vehicles. It's a pretty small map too. Shotguns are a little too potent compared to everything else when talking about the tight areas of the map.An SMG should out range the 880 and only lose to a shotgun up close in theory. In practice, the 880 has just as much usable range as any SMG because of the map design.The 12m is a complete bot gun in my opinion as well. Turn brain off, jump around a corner, spam fire, get kills. I've done it from time to time and it's fun, but a little much for the map in my opinion.

@MADMAC50K Scatter-grenades are one of the worst things Dice have ever introduced. They were bound to fail from the start and everybody could see it coming.They were nerfed when Exposure were launched, but they should have been removed entirely and Redacted shows how broken they really are.Grenade-spam have been an issue in almost every BF-game, but they still introduce scatter-grenades to the game, which is beyond comprehension.

@ElliotLH Exactly, they’re near impossible to balance in a way that feels fair to everyone.I feel like stuff like shotguns should be treated as a novelty if you’re going to have them in a game. Meaning, it can be something fun to mess around with, but definitely not the most effective tool for the job. If money was on the line, it wouldn’t be something you’d pick. That’s just my view on it though.

@cso7777 I thought the level of explosive spam was one of the things BFV managed to get right.And yeah, shotties are almost impossible to balance. If I had to pick I'd make them weak in general, leave it at that and focus on making the other guns more interesting.

Shotties still sucking the live out of Redacted

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ElliotLH
Hero+
2 years ago
I've been working on the T1 for the 12M and mostly using Redacted for it. It's strong up close, don't get me wrong, but Redacted is a CQC map primarily so it kind of comes with the territory in my mind.
Anobix
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@doubleome wrote:
M880 has less presence but still just stupid to face, the one shots out of the blue are simply not fun
And the 12M honestly how has this not received a single nerf yet? Still able to OHK and spray people down from way too far ranges
It is one of the only maps where the shotgun would be good, considering the amount of close-quarters situations. If it was bad there it would have even less purpose in the game. They reduced the effective range of the 880 and the 12M can still get some kills off at a distance, but requires using more than a couple shots to do it.
BackwoodsRaider
2 years ago
what pisses me off, their shotty is 1 shot. mine never does, with the same loadout.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@doubleome wrote:
M880 has less presence but still just stupid to face, the one shots out of the blue are simply not fun
And the 12M honestly how has this not received a single nerf yet? Still able to OHK and spray people down from way too far ranges
The MCS-880 has a little too much range in my opinion. Honestly, anything that's one hit kill feels pretty awful in this game besides snipers that require a head shot in order to do so.
The thing that ruins Redacted for me are the people running around with smoke and 12m. All game my screen is grey with some dude trying to jump through it to see how many people the can kill real quick. This has to be one of the worst meta's of all time in the history of the BF franchise. I despise it.
Aim assist, specifically the "Snap to Target", has been increased dramatically for 2042 compared to previous titles. So controller players just typically won't miss. If you miss a single shot on them, most times it doesn't even matter, they just kill you instantly. Even head glitching behind cover, even though I'm landing my shots, they'll still magically hit me.
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ElliotLHThat's fair, but on the other hand, Redacted is the only CQC map we have without vehicles. It's a pretty small map too. Shotguns are a little too potent compared to everything else when talking about the tight areas of the map.

An SMG should out range the 880 and only lose to a shotgun up close in theory. In practice, the 880 has just as much usable range as any SMG because of the map design.

The 12m is a complete bot gun in my opinion as well. Turn brain off, jump around a corner, spam fire, get kills. I've done it from time to time and it's fun, but a little much for the map in my opinion.
ElliotLH
Hero+
2 years ago
@RaginSam I'd say that's a fair comment too. My main concern is around balancing weapons based on one map not being effective. Then again shotguns are difficult to balance in games - they're either too powerful or too weak - so I don't know what the solution is here.
doubleome
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Then there is only 1 solution tbh, make them weak
RaginSam
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ElliotLH Exactly, they’re near impossible to balance in a way that feels fair to everyone.

I feel like stuff like shotguns should be treated as a novelty if you’re going to have them in a game. Meaning, it can be something fun to mess around with, but definitely not the most effective tool for the job. If money was on the line, it wouldn’t be something you’d pick. That’s just my view on it though.
ElliotLH
Hero+
2 years ago
@RaginSam Yep they sure are. I remember lots of back and forth discussions about the 10A Hunter in Shotgun Forest on the old BF1 boards, and I'm sure it goes for other games too.

I'd probably be quite happy still if they were treated more as a novelty as that's kind of how I use them myself already - I'd rather use an AR for flexibility anyway.
D-Man3847
2 years ago
@doubleome

I don't play redacted a whole lot only when I have to complete weekly missions or if it's part of a weekly event.

With that being said, I do find that I die the exact same amount of times by a shottie on there after the nerfs.